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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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ladies and gentlemen this is the episode

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of the power cast i didn't want to do

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i was notified

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last saturday before taping the show

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that

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my good friend

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in fact i guess i consider him almost a

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big brother to me jim mosley had died at

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a key west florida hospital

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he was 81 years old

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he had been

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a compelling

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force sometimes a controversial force

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in the ufo field since the 1950s

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and

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his big focus in the last 30 40 years of

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his life was the culture of ufos the

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people who get involved with the subject

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he had a little publication called

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saucer smear

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and i understand there's a final issue

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that he prepared before he died that we

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hope will be mailed now i thought in

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putting the show together with chris who

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would be a part of it and i realized

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that we can't do a show with 500 people

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and i don't want to slight anybody and

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say well we didn't put you on for any

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reason because there is no reason it's

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just arbitrary and this election was

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made of my close personal friends who

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were also friends of jim mosley and

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worked with him over the years or had

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historical perspectives of jim as

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jerome clark will offer a little bit

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later in the show our other guests of

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course are bob zanati bob of course had

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a show called coffee clutch a radio show

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that featured jim and me and tim and a

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lot of other people so he's known jim

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for a number of years

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alan greenfield yo

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yes alan welcome back

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alan was one of the founders of

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something called the congress of

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scientific ufologists later called the

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national ufo conference and they made

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jim mosley their permanent chairman

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we'll have to ask him why we have tim

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beckley and we also have hi tim and we

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also have a new voice somebody i've

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known

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probably longer than i knew jim mosley

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that's geneva hagan she was once the

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co-editor of a magazine that i edited

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called caveat mtor

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and we were once married by the way in

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case

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you knew jim first you were the person

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who introduced us

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i knew you though before i met jim i

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think you were working at jim's magazine

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i think when we met no remember what

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happened here this is this is

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interesting folks oh well do you

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that you wrote a letter

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argument uh

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you met through a comic book that's all

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that needs to be said yeah we met

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through a comic book

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that's right

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and she wrote me through the comic book

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and we started writing to each other at

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that point i was 13 years old and you

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were 11 or something like that you were

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15 and i was 12 i believe okay i'll go

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for that so it's around the time i met

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jim i think i knew you longer this is

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why we didn't stay married by the way

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ladies and gentlemen because we kept

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arguing about these things no that's not

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the reason but in fact it's amazing now

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when we consider it the fact that after

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all these years and geneva and i split

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up you know over 35 years ago the fact

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is we've remained friends i've remained

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friends to her and her family whereas

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jim mosely was married for what two

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years was it something like that

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i remember long long enough to have a

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child long enough to have a child

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but also long enough to continue to be

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at loggerheads with his ex-wife for the

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next 50 years 400 years i think that's

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still ongoing i think that's ongoing

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with his departure yes i think it's

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important here to

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kind of first put a perspective an

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historical perspective

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as to who jim mosley was as you see

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the jocular

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manner of our discussion

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is in respect to jim because he

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pretended i don't think that was true in

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real life he pretended not to take

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things seriously and i think wherever he

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is now he's having a big chuckle jerry

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you have been friends and not so

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friendly with jim mosley for a number of

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years in historical perspective where

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does jim mosley stand as a figure in the

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ufo field well i don't think there's

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anybody who compares to him he really

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kind of created a role and if there was

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one word to describe it would be gadfly

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he was more interested i think in the

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social world of ufos than the actual ufo

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the kind of subculture of

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characters colorful and otherwise who

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really helpful to go through

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early 1950s because he's chronicling

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the antics

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of all kinds of characters famous and

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forgotten and saucer news was really

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that was a very interesting thing here

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the fact is that even though jim mosley

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had fake feuds even though he had hoaxes

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he perpetrated if you read the pages of

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magazine as nexus until the time he sold

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it to gray barker there was a lot of

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serious writing in there he had a very

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good expose for example of george

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he made to actual research was really

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hoax i think that's something of lasting

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top of his head often without really

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thinking things through but that wasn't

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jim if you were anybody in this field if

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him now when we look at the things he

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like the fake feuds like for example he

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barker but he and ray barker pretended

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in public to hate each other now jim's

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excuse was well you know the saucer

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interest is dying we have to keep it up

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that's why he had the fake feuds i

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you would have a fake feud and say

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really nasty things about each other in

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print that you didn't mean when i was

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reading that i was just a kid you know

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an adolescent i thought this is really

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very good friends he also said in the

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viewpoints to be a counterpoint to gray

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believer therefore jim mosley believes

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secret weapons as it were i think that

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the others in our group to respond to

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that alan you knew jim very well as well

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sort of nuts and bolts approach and from

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was anything but that he was a brilliant

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he was also a chain smoker but

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he outlived the odds i think that

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what uh ufology is we are doing the

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power cast

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we have a number of very special guests

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my friends jim mosley's friends to

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remember him we have bob zanati alan

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greenfield tim beckley geneva hagan

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jerome clark allen was responding in

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part to what jerry said about the

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historical significance of what jim

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mosley did in the ufo field alan you

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want to pick that up yeah

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let me let me go ahead with that i did

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want to say something about my good

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friend jim who was also my neighbor for

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some time

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in key west we were very close over the

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years i think where gray barker is

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concerned wow jerry said so much i

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sort of lost track i should have taken

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notes

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where gray barker was concerned i think

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it was the other way around jim

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was more of a fact freak his term not

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mine than gray was gray was more of a

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poet and i don't think as good of

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friends as they were actually were i

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don't think that jim ever fully

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understood the metaphorical

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mythos approach to the ufo phenomenon

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that that gray took and that i share i'm

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using myth and mythos and more like the

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jungian joseph campbell sort of way as

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someone who grew up around that virginia

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west virginia folk folklore which is a

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very you know serious area of study of

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its own i think that gray carried that

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out to its

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illogical logical conclusion by living

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in it

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and jim

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went along with that up to a certain

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point but when it got to the time that

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the silver bridge was first published in

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1971 jim hated it

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and uh i loved it and

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still do and i feel like it's probably

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the closest thing to a true picture of

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what ufos and ufology

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was and is all about because it

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describes something that is mythic in

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mythic terms i don't mean untrue any

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more than uh i am

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an advocate of a lifelong advocate of

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reform judaism and uh we sort of

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consider the um hebrew scriptures to be

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mythic but we

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we adhere to it as a mythic underpinning

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to to western civilization essentially

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i think that jim grasped some of that in

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the process uh we don't we haven't

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mentioned it but jim also was the only

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to the extent that pre-internet we can

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talk about large publications in the

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saucer news era who published um

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yonah ibn aron's and

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jack robinson's all of them are gone

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uh extraterrestrialism

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uh theory which predated all of this

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stuff that we get inundated with with

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the ancient aliens brouhaha that

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is so popular on tv and which i have

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even

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played a small part in and yet they

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i for years talked to gray and when he

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was gone talked to jim about collecting

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all that material both from saucer news

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and from the consultants committee on

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semitic philology which was jack and

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jonah

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into one

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publication because it was the only one

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that was based on

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solid linguistic background and

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understanding of ancient languages and

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what they might

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might have meant it's not my theory but

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i think the key here of course is this

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is something that's a little peripheral

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to jim although he published

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their works too was the publisher

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primarily not right but i want to

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correct you on one thing alan there was

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another

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book about ancient astronauts that

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predates yonah's and that is the first

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part of flying saucers have landed by

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desmond leslie which continues

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we can argue the scholarship a lot more

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about that right

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to that too you also have to sort of

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kind of buy into the adamski story which

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i think while i think it has a complex

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origin that is way beyond where we would

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need to talk about jim

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nevertheless is a work of fiction and uh

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so you know there have been works of

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fiction about quote ancient astronauts

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since before the term astronaut was in

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uh popular use um but this was

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a serious factual theory that uh

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predates the shall we say the

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popularization of the idea of

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ancient visitations of

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alien beings from elsewhere which to me

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is the most credible notion of

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knowing the distances in space and

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having been present when ursula quinn

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said i can't write science fiction

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anymore the distance between stars

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precludes it

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um

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which made my jaw drop open

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it just

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makes me feel that

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that

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jim as editor which was his primary

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function

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uh he sponsored talks by other people he

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gave talks of his own but they were very

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conservative talks extremely

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conservative talks throughout his career

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just basically the nine gleaming objects

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and carrying forth the highlights of

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ufology never any of the crazy stuff

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that i get into in a speculative and

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theoretical way now one thing i should

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ask you all and we have so many guests

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here i want to give everybody a chance

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to participate

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i will be gone

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you will be gone so we want to get as

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much of you as we can and of course tim

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is also going to leave during the first

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part of the show

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we're not going to depart though we'll

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be here when you're all dead and gone

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and with jim

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okay well we understand and accept that

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we understand except that okay now you

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were involved along with rick hillberg

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and others in something called the

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congress of scientific ufologist that

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later became the national ufo conference

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and you guys made jim the permanent

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chairman of that organization why

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it was very simple the first permanent

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chairman

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we were meeting uh first of all there is

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some dispute about it but um i dreamed

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it up maybe uh the people in cleveland

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also dreamed it up at the same time and

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we coincided

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while i was having a weekend at the uh

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at a hotel in asheville north carolina i

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guess i shouldn't mention the name of

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the

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well sure i should it's a grove parking

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prestigious hotel and i decided i got in

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touch with

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the luminaries in ohio of that period

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and we worked out having a convention in

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cleveland and i was off for my journey

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to the east and when i got back we

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sat down in chicago and started the

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convention and

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named al manik as the well we didn't

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have any formal structure at that point

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but

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the reality was we didn't have a system

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so he was in effect permanent chairman

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al for whatever reason stepped down

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around oh i guess 1971-72

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and jim had been a regular at the

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convention throughout he was a very

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well-known person he had put on what i

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consider to be the largest and best

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ufo convention ever held before since uh

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at commodore hotel

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a number of you were there in uh

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1967 was it yes yes it was 1924 1967.

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frank edwards was not in attendance

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gray called me in the middle of the

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night and told me the the old boy had

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dropped dead

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but

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um

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in any case i thought that he was

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probably the the most consistent person

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to sort of do the uh the the gritty

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the one place where nuts and bolts does

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have a role in ufology is persistence

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and keeping things going and jim was a

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great organizer and was a doggedly

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persistent person and of modest

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elaborate than either i or he thought at

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honoring jim mosley with gene and chris

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this is leslie kane and i'm with the

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coalition for freedom of information and

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you are listening to the paracast

669
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we have a number of guests honoring the

670
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memory of jim mosley and it's designed

671
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to celebrate his life

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not eulogize him okay and our guests

673
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,480
include geneva hagan we'll hear more

674
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,480
from her in a few moments jerry clark

675
00:27:28,390 --> 00:27:24,720
tim beckley allen greenfield and bob

676
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zanati and alan is explaining here how

677
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jim became the permanent chairman

678
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of the

679
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,159
national ufo conference yeah i think

680
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that our feeling was that he would carry

681
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on and he did for 25 years and uh

682
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got it together in really difficult

683
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years and in really prosperous years and

684
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we never quite equaled the convention

685
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that he sponsored in terms of size scope

686
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and

687
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,039
number of luminaries uh well 12 000

688
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:57,200
people show 12 000 people showed up for

689
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,399
that yeah that is the the the the mythos

690
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,440
of course jim would have said that

691
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the doors kept getting open that he had

692
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blocked so we really don't know exactly

693
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how many well no i don't know well i i

694
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dispute that because i was there and

695
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helped him run that show i manned the

696
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telephone room for about three or four

697
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,559
days it was like a political

698
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headquarters it got to be so much that

699
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when the phone would ring i would

700
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pretend to be an answering machine just

701
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so that i wouldn't have to answer the

702
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same questions i'd give a little spiel

703
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,279
and go on to the next one now the

704
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problem was the way the hotel was set up

705
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see is that uh there were elevators and

706
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the

707
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kind of misplaced but people would go up

708
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above one floor up above and then walk

709
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down the stairs see and there was we

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didn't have enough staff to man all the

711
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uh all the possible entrances to the uh

712
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conference but i think it was uh close

713
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to 12 000 actual paid people because

714
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that room with the balcony held about 2

715
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300.

716
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yeah it was

717
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not equal

718
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and sold a few books but well actually

719
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a lot of people sold a few books uh and

720
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uh there was a it was a a microcosm of

721
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the summer of love which is when it

722
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happened to take place and it was a very

723
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interesting event but the major point i

724
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was trying to make was if you wanted

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someone to be your reliable planner to

726
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make sure that the convention carried on

727
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it carried on longer than any other ufo

728
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convention and when jim finally gave up

729
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the post in his i think already mid 70s

730
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uh he turned it over to what seemed like

731
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a very officious group of people in la

732
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and it went out of business in three

733
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years yeah so that the point being

734
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perhaps we

735
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were on the right track and saying that

736
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uh jim was a

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mercurial person

738
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but he was

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an efficient business organizer and

740
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that's what you need to do the nuts and

741
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bolts of a convention so if you had a

742
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convention corporation you would call

743
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him the chief operating officer

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absolutely the guy who did the nuts and

745
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bolts and the machinery and he was very

746
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very reliable i mean there was a time in

747
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the early days of saucer news where jim

748
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was taking trips down to peru to do what

749
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he called smuggling or if you look at

750
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the subtitle

751
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of his shockingly close to the truth

752
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,840
book confessions of a grave-robbing

753
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ufologist

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he occasionally would be late with

755
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saucer news but when he got back to

756
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america and stayed here he never missed

757
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an issue it came out like clockwork

758
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perfectly every time as soon as it's

759
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sold hand hand justified something yes

760
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,360
people today can't really appreciate but

761
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:53,679
up until very recent years

762
00:30:59,510 --> 00:30:57,840
that is a very very painstaking process

763
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:59,520
and yet that's the way he handled it

764
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right that's the way it was typed all

765
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the columns were justified he was doing

766
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it on a regular electric typewriter and

767
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i should mention to alan that

768
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i am the other person who could do that

769
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because a lot of the issues when i

770
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worked at saucer news i did the same

771
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scheme but it was saucer news and it was

772
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,200
you know i mean i'm not taking away from

773
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that i admire the the skill but the

774
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point is he wanted that skill to go into

775
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it look at the other newsletters of that

776
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period including my own you know it's

777
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some of them more expensive than saucer

778
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,200
news and it got to be much sharper

779
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:35,840
during the short period that gray edited

780
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,720
it but it was a beautiful publication

781
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that lasted for what six issues or maybe

782
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:43,919
not even that many and then you know

783
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:45,919
there was this little real dispute

784
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between gray and jim and

785
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jim started with the

786
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the saucer

787
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,640
rhyming thing saucer blues saucer jews

788
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,559
which was dedicated to you and me and a

789
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couple of other jewish persons

790
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:01,039
and by the way here's an interesting

791
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,880
secret about that when jim had all those

792
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,279
different titles saucer whose jews

793
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,080
whatever before he became saucer smear i

794
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,080
generated the typography for that for

795
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,399
him well that's excellent i was a secret

796
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,880
force behind that let me talk to geneva

797
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,279
briefly here because geneva you first

798
00:32:20,029 --> 00:32:19,200
met jim with me

799
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,039
in

800
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,720
1967 at the new york convention right

801
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:24,480
that's when we met in person we had

802
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:27,360
corresponded before that yes okay

803
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,480
now before we go on you of course travel

804
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,720
different places with jim after you and

805
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,720
i went our separate ways

806
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:37,200
but you told me you had this letter from

807
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,559
jim where he kind of expresses his life

808
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:43,200
yes about a month before he died he sent

809
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,159
me

810
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,840
a letter and

811
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:48,000
at the closing he writes this paragraph

812
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,519
which i would like to read if you can

813
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,159
give me a moment sure go ahead he says

814
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:54,840
summing up my life has been almost

815
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,080
unique i was handed over a million

816
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:00,559
dollars when i was young and gradually

817
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,840
blew it not on wild living but in stupid

818
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:05,840
decisions in business and my private

819
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:06,799
life

820
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:09,600
i have traveled all over the world

821
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,320
and seen and done many things that very

822
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:15,039
few have seen and done i had literally

823
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,320
golden opportunities that i messed up

824
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,399
but i lived as i wanted to without

825
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:22,880
really hurting other people at least not

826
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:25,840
intentionally and i have been

827
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:29,840
very very lucky till now

828
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,360
bravo bravo that is that is not only the

829
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,600
summary of his life but he was a major

830
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,000
influence on me and i would say today

831
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:40,320
that's a summary of mine when was this

832
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:43,600
written it was written in october of

833
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:44,720
this year

834
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,760
oh wow say the date was

835
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:49,919
no no september third

836
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:52,640
i i spoke with jim uh after he got his

837
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:55,600
diagnosis and uh jim had told me many

838
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,960
many times in fact our first

839
00:34:02,470 --> 00:33:59,039
conversation was about

840
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:02,480
his uh great fear of death which i sort

841
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,200
of had trouble understanding a morbid

842
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,799
fear of death was the way he just

843
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:07,840
described

844
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,639
but in these last months uh i don't ever

845
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,280
call anybody it's just a bugaboo of mine

846
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,639
we all have

847
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,560
some neurosis or we wouldn't be involved

848
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,079
in this stuff but

849
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:20,480
but i i called jim when i heard that he

850
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:24,159
was ill from him um and uh and from one

851
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,119
of his

852
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:27,599
relatively unknown fans who called him

853
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:28,960
frequently

854
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,520
and uh a private person so i won't

855
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,280
mention any names but

856
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,599
so i i was aware of the situation i

857
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,280
tried to talk to him about it give him

858
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,000
some alternative medicine ideas but i

859
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:41,839
also know the limitations of how much

860
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,320
you can say to jim about that and he had

861
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,040
become strangely philosophical about

862
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:49,359
that for a person who supposedly had

863
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,079
this morbid fear he told me well you

864
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:54,800
know we all have our time and i would

865
00:35:03,270 --> 00:34:59,839
say in 81 plus years he had almost 81

866
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,280
good years i had defined the odds on

867
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,040
all the health advice i would give

868
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,240
anyone and towards the end he

869
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:10,800
i understand you had a few bad moments

870
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:12,880
which once he started chemo doesn't

871
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:15,440
surprise me at all and which did him no

872
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,599
good may have killed him in fact i think

873
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,760
by the way he probably died in miami he

874
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:21,680
told me he was going to hospitals in

875
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:24,240
miami i he took chemo

876
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,839
i heard he went to a hospital in key

877
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:27,839
west isn't that true geneva it was

878
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,839
somewhere in that area i'm not sure if

879
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:32,079
it was actually in keywords

880
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,440
he got his chemo at a clinic in key west

881
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,440
but i'm pretty sure anyone critically

882
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:39,599
ill is bust off to miami there just

883
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,400
isn't much of a of a facility in key

884
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,880
west you'd have to but

885
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,040
can i get in here a moment this is bob

886
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:49,440
bob sonata here as a matter of fact i

887
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:52,240
had a phone conversation with jim

888
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:53,920
a few months ago

889
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:55,520
when he mentioned his

890
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,000
diagnosis and he did tell me that they

891
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,480
wanted to this was his wording they want

892
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,800
to send me up to miami i don't know if

893
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:04,400
he made it to miami but that would be

894
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,119
yes

895
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,440
i can confirm definitely i spoke to him

896
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,119
about it he even told me the names of

897
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,119
the hospitals that he

898
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,440
had gone to he got two opinions which i

899
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:15,839
think was good but they were both from

900
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,040
very orthodox uh medical facilities and

901
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,520
both were in miami and we just the last

902
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,920
time we talked he was about to start

903
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,680
chemo i didn't talk to him after he

904
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started though i heard he took it hard

905
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,240
which is kind of what you'd expect alan

906
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1016
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we remember jim mosley pleasantly

1017
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:18,079
happily because he was such a great

1018
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:21,440
influence on our lives tim you told me

1019
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,240
way back when we first discussed this

1020
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,880
that he jim mosley was in a sense

1021
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:29,040
responsible for the person that tim

1022
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beckley became explain well you know of

1023
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:34,880
course i had had my first ufo signing

1024
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,640
the first of three when i was 10 years

1025
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,119
old and you know i read the literature

1026
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,960
on the subject and i guess somehow i got

1027
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a hold of a copy of

1028
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,599
saucer news there wasn't a very much

1029
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available actually in the way of the

1030
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literature as far as like stuff sold on

1031
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:50,640
the newsfeed and all but i think i found

1032
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the copy of saucer news in a bookstop

1033
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book shop or maybe on a magazine iraq

1034
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somewhere and uh i

1035
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would start coming i lived in new jersey

1036
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at the time

1037
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:04,319
and jim would have regular ufo meetings

1038
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:06,079
uh in some of the

1039
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hotels around times square he had some

1040
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well-known

1041
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the time they were popularized by being

1042
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,599
on the long john neville show and in

1043
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:19,760
fact uh to a large extent i guess jim

1044
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,480
has a long john to thank for filling the

1045
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:24,720
uh the halls of his auditoriums on many

1046
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,079
occasions and certainly uh at the 1967

1047
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conference because long john had a guest

1048
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on every night for about a week or or

1049
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,400
longer promoting the the show you know

1050
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,079
and uh anyway i would hear these shows

1051
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,160
on long john neville and of course uh

1052
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:40,720
jim was a on there on a regular basis as

1053
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,480
was great bark barker and jonah and jack

1054
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,880
robinson are the key figures and

1055
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,880
i i was always interested in the subject

1056
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:50,800
so i wanted to meet some of these people

1057
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,319
in person so i would hop a bus over to

1058
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,640
the times square area

1059
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,000
with my brother-in-law because they're

1060
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still kind of young i mean i was like 14

1061
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or 15 or something like that you know

1062
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in those days who would want a kid

1063
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coming into new york by themselves at

1064
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that age well you know something when we

1065
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grew up you could go into new york at

1066
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,910
yeah yeah this was times square and it

1067
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was a little bit rougher although later

1068
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on i make times square my sort of my

1069
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home because i ended up becoming

1070
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involved in promoting uh low budget

1071
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horror and

1072
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other types of uh un family oriented

1073
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films so anyway i would come into these

1074
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meetings and uh you know they were small

1075
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halls that uh ran anywhere from i think

1076
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,359
you know like 75 people

1077
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,680
one time it was ivan sanderson i think

1078
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:41,440
it was was the scheduled speaker and

1079
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,800
there were so many people that had

1080
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:44,720
showed up at the alfred dixon speech

1081
00:43:50,510 --> 00:43:48,160
center which was on 4 3rd street that

1082
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,520
jim had to have two rooms going

1083
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,640
simultaneously in the in the building at

1084
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,640
the same time you know with different uh

1085
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speakers because you couldn't stretch

1086
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out even quite that far so anyway i

1087
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would come in on a regular basis and i

1088
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,079
became fairly friendly with the gym

1089
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,760
later on i held my own

1090
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:05,440
meetings but i i think i probably

1091
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attended just about all of those along

1092
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,160
that times square strip at the hotel

1093
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:12,240
nipple that and the um oh i forget the

1094
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diplomat and the

1095
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woodstock hotel woodstock and in those

1096
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,240
days you could get a haul for 25 dollars

1097
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,839
and held 100 people that's a joke of

1098
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,440
course today

1099
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:24,240
so jim and i became very uh friendly and

1100
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:25,040
uh

1101
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,760
managing editor of salsa news i had been

1102
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,000
running the interplanetary news service

1103
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,000
report and i had pretty close to fifteen

1104
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,720
hundred paid uh subscribers uh but in

1105
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:42,880
those days there were no kinkos or quick

1106
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,200
copy places you had a mimeograph or

1107
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,760
ditto this stuff yourself and collate it

1108
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,520
and staple it and you know by hand

1109
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:51,040
everything by hand

1110
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,880
and boy what a problem that was you know

1111
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:54,800
instead of out chasing girls or playing

1112
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,800
football i was chasing uh ufos so a gym

1113
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:00,720
offered to take over my subscribers and

1114
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:03,520
combine them with his subscribers and

1115
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:04,720
hire me

1116
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,040
at a modest pay but it was still pay and

1117
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:09,280
i came into manhattan every day and

1118
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,480
worked at a 303 fifth avenue and

1119
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,200
sorcerer news for a period there well i

1120
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:17,440
i think even to this day had slightly

1121
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,800
over 10 000 paid subscriptions which

1122
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,400
outside of fate magazine if you want to

1123
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,720
consider that in the genre of ufos would

1124
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,359
be the only ufo oriented publication

1125
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:29,680
that ever came anywhere near that amount

1126
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,640
as far as paid subscribers were even a

1127
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:34,640
nightcap at its peak i think maybe had

1128
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,599
about 7 500 paid subscribers i know

1129
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,520
because somebody had taken their mailing

1130
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,280
list out of the garbage

1131
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,359
over there in washington dc and sent it

1132
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,880
to me thinking i could use the names but

1133
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,400
of course they were like you know 10

1134
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:48,079
years old by that time i'll tell you

1135
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,599
something very interesting in terms of

1136
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:51,920
numbers if you look at the perspective

1137
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,599
of that today mufon the major

1138
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:57,839
ufo investigative body in the u.s their

1139
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,480
membership is about 4 000 or 4 500. oh i

1140
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:02,240
think it's less than that now

1141
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,680
yeah i think that's a pretty high

1142
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:05,920
estimate actually yeah i i i would think

1143
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:08,319
about last i heard was maybe about 2300

1144
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:09,680
or something like that you know that's

1145
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:13,200
even worse well the the numbers

1146
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:16,400
have changed and we are we are really in

1147
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,000
a way discussing the move of generations

1148
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:23,040
in ufology we were the teen ufologists

1149
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:26,000
when jim was already doing this for

1150
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:28,000
what five to ten years depending on the

1151
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,839
yeah certainly yeah and uh we're all

1152
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:33,520
well most of us are

1153
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,319
20 or more years younger and presumably

1154
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:38,640
we'll be around for a while but uh the

1155
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:41,200
the fact is we uh

1156
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:44,000
we represent that next generation which

1157
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:45,440
is now the

1158
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:48,160
contemporary generation of the wise old

1159
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,480
folks of of ufology such with wisdom as

1160
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:54,960
we've gathered which is

1161
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:57,680
subject to a different type of program

1162
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:00,880
and evaluation but um i can't think of

1163
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,000
anyone else from from jim's generation

1164
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,480
that is still around and still active

1165
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,560
there may be a few well brett steiger

1166
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,560
would be the closest i would guess yeah

1167
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,800
that's a fair fair assessment although

1168
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:14,880
stanford's still out there and into a

1169
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:17,920
much broader range of things than

1170
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:21,599
ufos he's uh as interested in

1171
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,119
werewolves and the occult as he is well

1172
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,920
aren't we all uh no i think that there

1173
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:28,800
is

1174
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:37,359
called ufology i'd call it i was

1175
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,000
referring to us not i was afraid

1176
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,800
yeah well i i guess so yeah sure yeah

1177
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,520
but we are a unique us i used to call it

1178
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,000
middle groupology you know not not uh

1179
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,280
credulous contactee believers but also

1180
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,800
not uh

1181
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,960
nuts and bolts clearly this is an

1182
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:56,640
invasion from mars

1183
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:58,240
we mentioned about the jim being

1184
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,599
somewhat fearful of passing uh over

1185
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:03,920
and i guess not in his last month i

1186
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,069
i no longer fear death but i do fear

1187
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,640
misery which might be coming soon and

1188
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,040
then he expressed that his real fear was

1189
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:23,920
that he would outlive his money and

1190
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:26,079
there would be no money for his care but

1191
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:27,599
that didn't happen

1192
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,920
but he had overcome his fear of death

1193
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,000
yeah jim did have that fear throughout

1194
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:34,240
his life though too i mean about the

1195
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,839
yeah he did say in key west he did say

1196
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,839
i've achieved a certain level of

1197
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,839
enlightenment and i'm not sure what that

1198
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:43,680
term meant in terms of a guy who was a

1199
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,920
lifelong atheist the first conversation

1200
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,480
i ever had with him was about atheism in

1201
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:50,400
1964

1202
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:53,040
and he expressed it first he was pretty

1203
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,800
drunk at the time this was during the

1204
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,720
convention and uh

1205
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:59,359
you know to me he was a great luminary

1206
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,040
and i was uh

1207
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:03,520
six 17 year old kid

1208
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,640
but i uh in exasperation which is not

1209
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,079
really the case i said well i'm a

1210
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:10,480
fundamentalist

1211
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:12,640
it was an interesting conversation which

1212
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,040
he unfortunately didn't remember and

1213
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,800
didn't even remember meeting until the

1214
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,400
next year but i thought it was a very

1215
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:20,480
stimulating conversation there was there

1216
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:22,559
was one incident that puzzled him to

1217
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,760
some degree

1218
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:25,920
of course that jim was a

1219
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:28,559
long time guest on the long john show

1220
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,760
and uh knew long john's fifth wife candy

1221
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:33,280
jones rather well

1222
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:34,480
and uh

1223
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,359
told yeah uh candy told this story to me

1224
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,599
and to no not that well

1225
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,040
no no

1226
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,359
uh anyway uh candy told the story to me

1227
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,079
and to uh uh jim and i believe jim has

1228
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,000
printed it in his newsletter but candy

1229
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:49,920
said she didn't want to mention until

1230
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,559
she was deceased but at one point you

1231
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:54,720
know after long john had uh had passed

1232
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,520
away and she took over the show and for

1233
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,599
some reason she always had me on sunday

1234
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:01,760
night almost like straight sundays and i

1235
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:03,040
always figured well probably she

1236
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,240
couldn't get any other guests or

1237
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,319
something and in those days my god there

1238
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:08,000
were there were radio studios and he

1239
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,760
actually went up for an interview not

1240
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,440
anymore i can't remember the last time i

1241
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:13,520
was in a radio uh

1242
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,240
studio actual studio you know uh anyway

1243
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,760
she told this story she said she was

1244
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,079
going through a lot of the old uh long

1245
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:21,920
john the tapes of the which of course

1246
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:24,079
those were on big reel the reels

1247
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:25,680
and she was cataloging them you know

1248
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:27,040
putting them down i guess they played a

1249
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:28,800
couple of uh times a week they would

1250
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,599
play the old shows with the long john on

1251
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,839
it and in the middle of one of these

1252
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,680
tapes like an hour or an hour and a half

1253
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:37,119
into the tape and they would be about

1254
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:40,240
five hours long the voice of her mother

1255
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:43,680
uh appeared on the tape and called candy

1256
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:44,480
by

1257
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:45,440
her

1258
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,319
nickname that only the two of them

1259
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,079
would use or certainly a very limited

1260
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,319
number of people now

1261
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,640
candy you referred or kind of referred

1262
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,040
to this as an evp you know electronic

1263
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,680
voice phenomena as she said and we both

1264
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:02,000
kind of agreed that

1265
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:04,000
there was no possible way first of all

1266
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,640
her mother had never been in the studio

1267
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:08,400
there was no possible way that it could

1268
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,200
get on that uh tape they didn't have a

1269
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,760
huge reel to reel at home

1270
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,520
and she knew it was her mother because

1271
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:17,280
the mother referred to her by her

1272
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,640
nickname

1273
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:20,400
we can get into more of this in a moment

1274
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:21,920
i have an observation to make about

1275
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:24,000
candy jones which you'll find

1276
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fascinating folks we remember jim mosley

1277
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and now

1339
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,870
chris o'brien just before we get back to

1340
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:14,720
the discussion i wanted to add something

1341
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:15,599
about

1342
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,480
candy jones chris did you ever meet jim

1343
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:21,440
yeah i did uh i had i actually met him a

1344
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,960
couple times

1345
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:25,359
um the first time was at the the mufon

1346
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:29,200
symposium in 1998 in denver and uh it

1347
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:31,760
was quite a treat for me to finally

1348
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:34,079
meet that uh

1349
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:35,760
how would i put it the court jester of

1350
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,760
ufology i think he's been called uh a

1351
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,079
number of times over the years uh he was

1352
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:42,640
just an amazing engaging guy it was just

1353
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,359
fun to to talk to him he didn't talk

1354
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:47,760
down to me uh he was aware of my work he

1355
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,119
actually had given

1356
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,440
my first book the mysterious valley a

1357
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:53,280
glowing review which he

1358
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,400
you know he

1359
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:56,559
didn't give that many good reviews i

1360
00:55:02,870 --> 00:54:59,680
think over his last uh 10 or 15 years

1361
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,880
and and i was very gratified by that

1362
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:04,319
one thing you should know chris one

1363
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:05,599
thing you should know

1364
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:08,319
jim very seldom read a book from cover

1365
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:10,800
to cover so if he gave your book more

1366
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,040
than the usual attention you have to

1367
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:15,359
really feel proud i do and i still have

1368
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:18,480
a copy of saucer smear where he gave my

1369
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,200
book a recommendation and he also uh

1370
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,280
gave my secret to the mysterious valley

1371
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:24,960
uh a good recommendation as well in

1372
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:27,680
2007. i wished i'd had a chance to spend

1373
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:29,440
more face time with him

1374
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:31,920
but uh i sure enjoyed the number of

1375
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:33,760
times that we had him on the show jane

1376
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,319
uh he's really going to be missed it's

1377
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:38,640
that kind of twinkle in the eye sort of

1378
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,599
irreverence that this field sorely needs

1379
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,280
and i'm just hoping that we can have

1380
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:45,760
someone of his stature step up and and

1381
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:47,440
kind of take the mana line of the

1382
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:50,000
trickster of ufology okay i wanted to

1383
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:51,920
bring up this thing about candy jones

1384
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:54,400
tim and that is there was a book that

1385
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,440
came out

1386
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:57,599
some years back called the control of

1387
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,160
candy jones remember that one tim okay

1388
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:02,160
well absolutely explain for listeners

1389
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,599
what that was because i wanted to give

1390
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:05,760
you a reaction that jim got about it go

1391
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:08,000
ahead well i know that jim didn't uh

1392
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,760
believe that the story was true but and

1393
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:11,440
there was a reason for that but let's go

1394
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,720
on well as i recall now we've published

1395
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:17,040
a lot of material about this uh episode

1396
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:19,359
but i'm i'm no expert on it

1397
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,880
in fact i don't

1398
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:23,040
believe that the subject ever came up

1399
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:25,040
of this mind control uh

1400
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:26,640
incident uh it was kind of like a

1401
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:29,599
manchurian candidate thing she was made

1402
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:32,079
into a an unwilling well what would be

1403
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,960
the the word for it uh she took

1404
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,720
information and spy information and

1405
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,720
planted things uh all over the world

1406
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:40,240
without knowing what she was doing

1407
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:41,359
there's a name for that and i can't

1408
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,480
think it just slips my

1409
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,400
uh but apparently she wrote under

1410
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,559
hypnosis done by long john i might add

1411
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,400
or at least in the beginning she told

1412
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:52,480
this story about uh having been a

1413
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,119
liaison for the cia delivering spy type

1414
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,520
information in various places that she

1415
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:02,000
traveled okay now there was also another

1416
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:04,000
book called confessions of a dangerous

1417
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:07,440
mind about chuck barris the tv gong show

1418
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:10,799
host who supposedly also

1419
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,359
also had been some sort of secret agent

1420
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,520
now jim told me the story that he

1421
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:17,760
probably repeated on the show here where

1422
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,240
he talked to candy jones producer who

1423
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,760
kind of said ah that's just something

1424
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:23,599
they made up that was his reaction not

1425
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:26,799
in words but in actions in the way he

1426
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:29,359
responded to it and this was just one of

1427
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,319
those things long john was not above

1428
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:34,319
pulling a prank on his show sometimes

1429
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:36,559
well that is true but i don't think uh

1430
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,799
candy and now i knew candy but much

1431
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,720
better than i knew long john in fact i

1432
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,480
remember uh one time

1433
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:44,079
i got out of the we both got out of the

1434
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:46,000
show she lived in my neighborhood

1435
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,119
down around

1436
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:49,680
34th street and so it was it was a

1437
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:52,000
blizzard going on outside and we both

1438
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:53,359
had to go home and since we were going

1439
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:55,440
the same direction we tried to hail a

1440
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:57,760
cat well there was no cab stopping for

1441
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,240
us so we both simultaneously grabbed

1442
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,160
onto the back door handle

1443
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:05,040
of a car that was going about its way

1444
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,319
and slid down

1445
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,920
broadway a little bit until they stopped

1446
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,160
and did let us in but i knew candy

1447
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,400
fairly well and she was not like long

1448
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,400
john as far as that goes so

1449
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:15,839
i don't see

1450
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,400
why she would make up an entire story

1451
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:20,319
like that but like i said it's not privy

1452
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,920
to really information on that and i

1453
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,240
never really questioned her but just to

1454
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,880
finish the the story about this evp of

1455
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,640
her mother i don't believe that was a

1456
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,160
hoax because it had nothing to do with

1457
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:32,000
long john he was deceased

1458
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:34,720
when this happened i remember that

1459
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,880
jim was taken somewhat about it by that

1460
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,400
because as you mentioned he seemed to be

1461
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,040
a an atheist but not a pushy one you

1462
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,200
know he wasn't didn't try to force his

1463
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:45,280
views down your throat on it or anything

1464
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:47,359
you know he seemed to be a little bit

1465
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,480
disturbed by that or perplexed because

1466
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,319
he realized that there seemed to be

1467
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:54,000
something to it there was no way that

1468
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,319
that voice should have gotten on that

1469
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,559
tape that we know of candy wasn't

1470
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,559
hoaxing it she just wasn't the type of

1471
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:02,799
person to do that long john yes we know

1472
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:05,599
he did but uh candy net no i would say

1473
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:07,200
not if she said that voice was on the

1474
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:09,520
tape it was on the tape i'm getting a

1475
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,920
low battery signal on my phone so before

1476
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,920
it cuts me off because it gives me like

1477
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:15,839
four before it cuts off i wanted to

1478
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,319
bring one thing up and gene can sort of

1479
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:20,400
carry it from there which is

1480
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:22,960
why i think that the ufologists and the

1481
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:26,160
phenomena that they look into or

1482
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,000
investigate depending on how you look at

1483
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,000
it interact and

1484
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,480
are part of the same uh

1485
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:34,559
framework which was the waunakee new

1486
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:37,680
jersey uh case and i'll just say very

1487
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:40,319
quickly that uh and gene can comment on

1488
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,559
it after i get off the phone but

1489
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:44,880
we discussed this in advance and my

1490
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:47,200
source was gene steinberg who happens to

1491
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,119
be hosting the show so he can certainly

1492
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,440
carry it on or just simply say i made it

1493
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:53,520
all up and alan didn't know that until

1494
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,920
now did you i don't know

1495
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:57,440
no you did not

1496
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:00,640
um essentially what you told me at the

1497
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:02,400
time and it was immediate time it was

1498
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:04,240
pretty deadpan so

1499
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,000
you're not noted for unlike jim you're

1500
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:10,400
and unlike gray you're not noted for

1501
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,280
deadpan when you're kidding you're

1502
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,079
you're kind of goofy like me but um

1503
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:18,400
apparently one evening you and jim were

1504
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:21,440
sitting together and jim was as usual

1505
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:23,119
getting a little drunker and drunker and

1506
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,720
decided to make a random hoax phone call

1507
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:28,880
and it happened to be to the wanakew new

1508
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,319
jersey police department saying that uh

1509
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:34,000
seeing the ufo over the waunakee

1510
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:35,359
reservoir

1511
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:39,280
uh jim uh on on a paracast actually said

1512
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,359
he had no memory of this whatsoever but

1513
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:43,599
gene and i both said that we distinctly

1514
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,119
remember this was the way that it

1515
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:47,599
happened because after that there was a

1516
01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:50,960
genuine ufo flap right whatever that may

1517
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:51,839
mean

1518
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:55,040
i had similar experiences not as a hoax

1519
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:57,520
but i would hold when such things were

1520
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:00,640
possible in a much smaller atlanta in

1521
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,440
those days citywide sky watches which i

1522
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:05,280
would advertise in the atlanta journal

1523
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:07,839
constitution and there were invariably

1524
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:09,040
not just

1525
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:11,440
a lot of phone calls but some really

1526
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,280
good sightings and i reached the

1527
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:14,960
conclusion that there was this

1528
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:17,200
interaction between

1529
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:18,319
interest

1530
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:19,520
ufos

1531
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,720
ufologists and sightings and that was a

1532
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:24,960
really spooky story i'll stay on until

1533
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:26,960
the phone checks out but say goodbye

1534
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:28,559
because i don't know when it you know

1535
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,040
just will turn me off and listen in as

1536
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:34,079
long as i can fascinating discussion and

1537
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:35,440
and i

1538
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:38,400
i miss jim a lot he taught me to laugh

1539
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:39,839
in terms of

1540
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:41,920
strange phenomena and i've never lost

1541
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:43,520
that ability to

1542
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:46,000
take it seriously but also

1543
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,319
to take it with a grain of salt even my

1544
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:50,480
own ideas thank you my friend alan

1545
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:52,960
greenfield let's continue

1546
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:55,520
bob zanati you were doing this radio

1547
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:58,079
show called coughly clutch in the 60s

1548
01:02:03,750 --> 01:01:59,760
how did you get acquainted with jim

1549
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:03,760
mosley well it was uh an interesting um

1550
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:06,400
time for everyone getting interested in

1551
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:08,319
flying saucers i remember

1552
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:10,240
growing up in hawthorne new jersey about

1553
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:14,400
57 or something this kid picked up

1554
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:16,880
max b miller's

1555
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:18,480
magazine

1556
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:21,200
uh about flying saucers

1557
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:23,599
it's awesome

1558
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:24,640
sorry

1559
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:27,599
it was called saucers one word

1560
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:29,760
yeah i was just i the the the title

1561
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:31,440
escaped me but um

1562
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:34,799
whatever it was with max b miller and um

1563
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:36,559
i started reading and i saw names in

1564
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:38,079
there i think there were pictures

1565
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:39,280
from uh

1566
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:41,359
august c roberts and i i really got

1567
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:42,960
going on this and that was the time of

1568
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:45,599
course when the ufos were really big

1569
01:02:49,030 --> 01:02:47,359
and were making a great debut in the

1570
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,040
modern times

1571
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,359
and um a bit of a ham radio story here

1572
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:53,760
but never radio ham for many many years

1573
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:55,680
and a friend of mine who actually

1574
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:57,520
himself went into broadcasting a school

1575
01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:59,680
buddy of mine i hooked up on the ham

1576
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:01,599
radio one day with a fellow in jersey

1577
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:03,200
city new jersey

1578
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:06,160
by the name of dominic lucesi

1579
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:09,119
dom was a radio am and he said gee bob

1580
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:10,799
you got to talk to this guy he talks all

1581
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,480
about flying saucers and everything he

1582
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:14,160
gave me his call letters and i heard him

1583
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:16,160
one night and gave him a shout and we

1584
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:17,920
chatted for a long time

1585
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:19,839
we understood each other quite well and

1586
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:21,520
he said bob you got to come over to my

1587
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:22,640
place in

1588
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:24,160
in um

1589
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:26,559
in jersey city we have a gathering of

1590
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:28,160
some interesting people here all the

1591
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,079
time and i'll tell you what we'll learn

1592
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,160
what kind of gathering that was oh and

1593
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,240
it was a great one it was indeed thank

1594
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:36,640
you bob zanati we'll have more about jim

1595
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:38,960
mosley his life and times you're

1596
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:40,480
listening to gene and chris and many

1597
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:49,190
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1598
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:51,200
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1599
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:52,319
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1600
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:54,799
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1601
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:57,520
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1602
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1603
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:03,520
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1604
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1605
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1606
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1607
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1608
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1614
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1615
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1618
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1619
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1620
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:11,200
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1621
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:13,280
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1622
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1623
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:18,160
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1624
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:19,839
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1625
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:21,440
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1626
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jim mosey life and times alan greenfield

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has left the building

1690
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he'll be back on the power cast many

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01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:23,199
times we hope we were talking to another

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close friend of jim mosley's bob zanati

1694
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who first became acquainted with one of

1695
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jim's friends dominic lucesi on the ham

1696
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radio and then you went to one of their

1697
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social gatherings what were your

1698
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expectations just a bunch of people

1699
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:39,679
carrying on or what i would equate it

1700
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:42,239
without too much exaggeration we new

1701
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:44,080
yorkers always exaggerate just a little

1702
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:46,480
bit to make a point i had the same don't

1703
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:48,960
forget i was this uh

1704
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:51,199
this fuzzy face kid you know a teenager

1705
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:52,640
you and i were about the same age at the

1706
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:54,000
time gene

1707
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:55,440
well i wasn't scared i was just so

1708
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:57,359
enthusiastic because dom said oh my god

1709
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:59,199
a great crowd of people and he rattled

1710
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:01,120
off a couple of names augie roberts is

1711
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:03,440
here and jim mosley and at the time i

1712
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:05,199
didn't connect all of these names i

1713
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:07,120
didn't know them i never met them so i

1714
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made the trek out there to his apartment

1715
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:11,600
in jersey city was met

1716
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:13,440
at the door he brought me in

1717
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:15,279
and i i'll never forget it forget the

1718
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:17,440
scene i wasn't the first one there but

1719
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um augie roberts whom i hadn't really

1720
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:21,199
met yet

1721
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:22,640
didn't know him at all

1722
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:25,120
became very very close friends later on

1723
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:27,359
and then jim was sitting there as a

1724
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,319
matter of fact speaking of drinking i

1725
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think he had a glass of scotch in his

1726
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hand at the time jack robinson was there

1727
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at the time

1728
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so we had quite a few

1729
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,520
of the the core people of what became

1730
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:43,839
known what augie roberts used to refer

1731
01:09:46,829 --> 01:09:46,239
to all the time as the new york circle

1732
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of

1733
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ufologists and i was introduced and um

1734
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we just started to talk and we started

1735
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:54,159
swapping stories about ufos and the

1736
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offbeat and gene you know that apartment

1737
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you remember that weird photograph not a

1738
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photograph a painting on the wall at

1739
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dom's place it was the painting of a

1740
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space woman

1741
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a rather haunting figure with white hair

1742
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and

1743
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almost you know

1744
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haunting haunting and i still remember

1745
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,480
that that meeting this was about 1961.

1746
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well in the meantime i really got

1747
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enthusiastic i had a lot of contact with

1748
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augie roberts and i met another ham this

1749
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guy was a technician down at the radio

1750
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station wfmu in east orange new jersey

1751
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which is the new york metro area and i

1752
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went down there he said when you've got

1753
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to come and see the station

1754
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and i went down and i talked to the

1755
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program director there and the station

1756
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,280
manager i said yeah i i really i've got

1757
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this feeling that i'd like to get into

1758
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broadcasting i seem to have a tough

1759
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,800
feeling for the talent you know i i i

1760
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:48,560
admire the long john show and of course

1761
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:51,520
like eugene and you tim i mean we grew

1762
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,400
up uh on long john neville i mean this

1763
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,880
was this was part of our culture and

1764
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:58,560
that's funny too because people these

1765
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:01,199
days do not remember long john

1766
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:04,239
i think of mark bell yes the pioneer

1767
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:06,800
paranormal show host but no it was long

1768
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,920
john first exactly exactly long john was

1769
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the pioneer nobody did it better than

1770
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long john we're going back to the 1950s

1771
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it was a clever idea and he was very big

1772
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:17,760
in new york and i admired long john i

1773
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:19,360
met him a couple of times i used to go

1774
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:21,920
up to wor on a friday night as a student

1775
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:24,080
in new york and we chat i met him met

1776
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:26,880
gene shepard a couple of times and

1777
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:29,120
anyway to get back to the story i said

1778
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,480
you know um i would love to do a program

1779
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,320
something like long john neville talking

1780
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:36,640
about the offbeat and this he said well

1781
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,080
as a matter of fact we've got an opening

1782
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:40,560
on friday nights you want to try it

1783
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:42,239
this was a university station i said

1784
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:45,040
well sure why not i was 17 years old i

1785
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:46,480
just got my driver's license in the

1786
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:48,239
state of new jersey and so that's the

1787
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:50,800
way it began and i talked to augie and

1788
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:52,960
he got excited he's oh this is wonderful

1789
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,520
a new show and i you know i got lots of

1790
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:56,880
people i know and

1791
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:57,920
uh

1792
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,320
auggie said gee you gotta we gotta bring

1793
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:03,040
jim mosley on well jim turned up

1794
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:05,040
it was a year later

1795
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:09,360
in 1962 he came over with jack robinson

1796
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,560
eventually

1797
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:12,640
a fellow by the name of gene steinberg

1798
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:14,560
turned up one evening oh that was very

1799
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:16,000
mysterious of course i wasn't there

1800
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:18,480
physically in the physical realm i was

1801
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:19,600
there

1802
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:21,840
in some other kind of dimensional

1803
01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:23,440
manifestation

1804
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,520
gene you became uh what long john used

1805
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:27,120
to call one of the regulars we had that

1806
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:29,440
we had a core group on coffee clutch and

1807
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:30,960
jim was one of them

1808
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,000
and jack and auggie and you and then tim

1809
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:36,400
came later he was on the show and some

1810
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:38,719
others it was very much an offbeat show

1811
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:40,320
and in fact i'm very proud i can tell

1812
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:42,560
you this it was it got so so popular at

1813
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:44,719
one point believe it or not the coffee

1814
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:47,280
clutch show on wfmu was actually listed

1815
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:49,520
um in the radio tv section of the new

1816
01:12:53,669 --> 01:12:50,880
york times

1817
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:53,679
i really got floored when i saw that and

1818
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:56,000
that's how i that's how i got to meet um

1819
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,159
jim and you and all the others

1820
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:00,480
and i i've been listening very carefully

1821
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:02,320
in the previous segments

1822
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:04,239
and i just nodding here yeah that's very

1823
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:06,640
much jim i i just want a little caveat

1824
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:09,520
here um the others who have been on the

1825
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:12,480
show so far and those still here uh

1826
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:14,800
remember jim for a continuous period

1827
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:16,640
practically until his death but of

1828
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:18,320
course my recollection of jim was very

1829
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:20,880
much the 1960s in and i came back a

1830
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:22,640
couple of times i was in europe already

1831
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,120
in 67 i knew all about that fabulous

1832
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:27,120
convention and i really regretted not

1833
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:29,280
having being able to go there i remember

1834
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,360
was a really exciting event and a couple

1835
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:33,120
of times he had a couple of parties and

1836
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:34,719
he had wild parties there were always

1837
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:37,440
very wet parties very wild parties well

1838
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:40,719
not that wild they were not wild by our

1839
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:41,600
current

1840
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:43,120
genes

1841
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:45,280
they were pretty wild party they were

1842
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:47,520
pretty wild we're talking the very stage

1843
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:50,159
60s now well there is that comparison

1844
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:50,960
yes

1845
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:53,840
yeah i mean uh for me anyways this uh as

1846
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:56,400
this fuzzy face kid i i was very much

1847
01:13:59,830 --> 01:13:58,159
impressed and i you know you were

1848
01:14:02,550 --> 01:13:59,840
hobnobbing with some really interesting

1849
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,560
and sometimes very weird people uh very

1850
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:04,239
you know and and this

1851
01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:06,560
jim was great he was a great host and he

1852
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:09,040
was a funny guy he had a sense of humor

1853
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:11,440
and he was very unassuming someone at

1854
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:12,719
the very beginning of the show was

1855
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:14,960
talking about his iq he was very

1856
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:17,040
articulate very intelligent very well

1857
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:19,040
read and and

1858
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:20,560
he was also a couple of things i'd like

1859
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,440
to say about him in my contact with him

1860
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:25,520
which was very much through the show

1861
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,120
and we did a lot of shows together as

1862
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:29,840
you know i've got stacks of tapes here

1863
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:31,760
and uh one of them you mentioned wanna

1864
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:33,199
queue and there's an interesting twist

1865
01:14:37,669 --> 01:14:35,280
to that rahalgi roberts wanted and i

1866
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:37,679
went to cover that in fact i think i

1867
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:39,600
sent you the mp3 of an interview with

1868
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:41,920
one of the guards up there who described

1869
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:44,080
what he saw but anyway getting back to

1870
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:47,040
jim jim was very tolerant he probably i

1871
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:48,800
always had the impression he had clear

1872
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:51,040
ideas he had his own philosophy he used

1873
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:53,280
to say it but he never really declared

1874
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:55,040
openly what he thought about it he

1875
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,400
wasn't dogmatic about it no no and he

1876
01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:00,239
very tolerant people would be unkind

1877
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:01,840
some people might be unkind and say he

1878
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,440
was he was sitting on the fence all the

1879
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:05,760
time i think he went i think augie

1880
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,640
roberts put it this way a gym will go

1881
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:10,800
any way the wind is going you know or

1882
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:11,840
you but

1883
01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:15,600
don adam luchesi was very similar um to

1884
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:18,400
quote augie if you go negative he'll go

1885
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:20,239
positive you go positive he'll go

1886
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:22,960
negative just to keep things stirred up

1887
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:25,920
uh one thing uh with with jim

1888
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:28,400
um i want to stress the word tolerance

1889
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:30,640
because you know i i was starting out in

1890
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:32,480
my broadcasting career

1891
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:33,760
when i listened to those shows they

1892
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:37,520
weren't bad for 17 18 9 year 19 year old

1893
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:39,920
and um you weren't too bad either gene

1894
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:42,080
to tell you the truth you were very glib

1895
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:43,360
and very articulate and a great

1896
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:45,520
contributor to that show and i'm glad to

1897
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see that you've carried on and followed

1898
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it professionally too just as an aside

1899
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:51,040
but you know jim probably figured oh god

1900
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:52,560
this kid you know he's obviously

1901
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imitating long john and but

1902
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he never ever gave me the impression of

1903
01:16:02,310 --> 01:15:59,840
intolerance on the contrary he gave me

1904
01:16:04,390 --> 01:16:02,320
the impression of being a kind of mentor

1905
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:04,400
helping along you ask him a question no

1906
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:07,040
matter how seemingly ridiculous he would

1907
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:08,960
answer it and then if you got to know

1908
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:10,239
him a little bit better i mean he

1909
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:13,840
admitted to he admitted to to pranks and

1910
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:15,199
all that stuff we'll get into more of

1911
01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:16,800
that in a moment we have to do a break

1912
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and geneva wanted to make a few more

1913
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:20,800
comments before we see her off so we'll

1914
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do that in the next segment we're

1915
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talking about the one the only the court

1916
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gesture of ufology jim mosley with gene

1917
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and chris you're in the paracast

1918
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2006
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[Music]

2026
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:57,440
this is hilly rose and i hope that you

2027
01:21:02,229 --> 01:21:00,080
do listen to the paracast because you

2028
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:02,239
will learn a great deal about the

2029
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:10,630
we have an all-star guest list here of

2030
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:12,800
my personal friends friends of jim

2031
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:15,199
mosley including jerome clark geneva

2032
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:17,199
hagan tim beckley allen greenfield who

2033
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:19,920
left us a while back and bob cinnadi

2034
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:23,600
geneva knowing jim as well as you did

2035
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:26,560
how did he influence your opinions and

2036
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:29,120
expectations about these crazy studies

2037
01:21:32,950 --> 01:21:30,800
about ufology

2038
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:32,960
ufology and any the related things that

2039
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,480
go on around it

2040
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:36,320
well i suppose

2041
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:39,199
he kind of undermined my um

2042
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:41,280
credulity

2043
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,239
i grew up in a family that had practiced

2044
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:46,800
a lot of appalachian folk magic

2045
01:21:53,510 --> 01:21:50,400
and um so i saw a lot of that happen but

2046
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:53,520
so far as ufos a green fireball is as

2047
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:56,880
much as close as i ever came to a ufo

2048
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:57,920
and

2049
01:22:02,070 --> 01:21:59,600
the fact that you could hang out with

2050
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:02,080
someone like jim mosley and never

2051
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:06,320
never meet one credible ufo contactee it

2052
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:07,520
certainly

2053
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:08,960
kind of kicked the bottom out of that

2054
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:12,960
belief but uh i do remember one

2055
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:14,639
particular

2056
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:18,239
spring of 1976 when there was a ufo

2057
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:21,520
seance in north hudson park new jersey

2058
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:23,360
oh i was responsible for that but go

2059
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:25,360
ahead right give your reaction geneva

2060
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:27,520
and then tim will contribute go ahead

2061
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:30,080
jim beckley yeah yeah jim might want to

2062
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:31,600
say more about it

2063
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:35,600
um i kind of came in for the pre-seance

2064
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:36,639
party

2065
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:38,960
which jim was hosting at his apartment

2066
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:41,520
and press releases had gone out it was

2067
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:44,239
probably one of the first flash mobs

2068
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:45,679
that ever happened

2069
01:22:49,590 --> 01:22:47,280
uh it had been published in the

2070
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:49,600
newspaper which it wasn't supposed to be

2071
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:52,080
announced in advance but it was and 500

2072
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:54,159
people came out at midnight

2073
01:22:58,870 --> 01:22:56,400
for this season of

2074
01:23:01,590 --> 01:22:58,880
the freibergs who were friends of

2075
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:01,600
bud hopkins and they were there to

2076
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:03,760
de-ghost some houses in manhattan and

2077
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:05,440
they were supposed to conjure down some

2078
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:06,480
ufos

2079
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:07,280
but

2080
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:09,920
with 500 people milling around being

2081
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:13,199
rowdy selling popcorn and balloons and

2082
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:15,440
eventually when the ufos didn't show up

2083
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:18,159
they they mobbed the fryeburg's car and

2084
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:20,480
started rocking it back and forth and it

2085
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:22,320
was starting to look pretty scary but

2086
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:24,000
then a character showed up in the

2087
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:25,280
background

2088
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:28,800
wearing a silver suit and everybody

2089
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:30,960
it went chasing after them so the

2090
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:34,400
freiburg's escaped intact and continued

2091
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:36,400
their seance on the roof

2092
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:37,199
of

2093
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,320
the stonehenge apartment building which

2094
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:42,639
was very cold and windy so i didn't stay

2095
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:46,239
for that part but perhaps tim did i did

2096
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:48,639
in fact i have to say that i

2097
01:23:52,629 --> 01:23:50,960
am responsible for that event uh

2098
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:52,639
actually the freiburgs were not friends

2099
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:55,920
of bud hopkins in fact if anything the

2100
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,320
bud hated this in fact that's why for

2101
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:01,120
years that bud and jim did not speak the

2102
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:03,120
freibergs had hired me to be their

2103
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:05,679
publicist now people sometimes get

2104
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:08,560
confused because i'm tim beckley mr ufo

2105
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:10,719
the ufologist but i'm also tim beckley

2106
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:12,239
the publisher

2107
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:14,719
and the promoter and sometimes there can

2108
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:16,639
even be an inner conflict see anyway so

2109
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:19,040
the freiburg's that hired me to get some

2110
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:20,639
attention uh for

2111
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:23,760
them warren was a talk show host a a a

2112
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:26,000
right-wing talk show host out of chicago

2113
01:24:30,149 --> 01:24:28,159
and uh his wife was a libby who was a

2114
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:30,159
psychic they never got along off the air

2115
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:32,000
i believe both of them are deceased

2116
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:35,520
anyway we did get a notice about this in

2117
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:37,840
the on the front page of the star ledger

2118
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:40,080
and it did attract a crowd there was a

2119
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:42,000
naked man with sparklers running through

2120
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,360
the crowd there's people selling

2121
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:45,920
balloons and as you mentioned it was

2122
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,159
quite an event people would say but this

2123
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:50,239
is not the presentation you want to make

2124
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:53,040
for serious ufology well uh sometimes

2125
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:55,360
ufology is not serious by the way who's

2126
01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:57,280
to say who is serious or what is serious

2127
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,120
it's kind of hard to do in this uh in

2128
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:02,000
this field as you know so anyway bud and

2129
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:04,480
jim did not talk for a long time because

2130
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:06,400
of this in fact i don't think they ever

2131
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:09,520
talked uh after uh that uh peter robbins

2132
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:11,920
is kind of an intermediary so maybe he

2133
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:13,440
got them towards the end there to at

2134
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:16,880
least smile at each other but um

2135
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:19,520
i knew bud pretty well but did not like

2136
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:21,679
him no he did and that was the core that

2137
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:24,159
was the root of it to some degree

2138
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:25,760
although i think that's kind of silly to

2139
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:27,280
be honest with you both gentlemen have

2140
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:30,159
passed and but had his uh you know his

2141
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:32,159
very positive side as far as i'm i'm

2142
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,719
concerned and some negative things

2143
01:25:40,229 --> 01:25:36,800
as we all do and when you think about it

2144
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:40,239
it's a childish uh event uh so uh that

2145
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:42,800
was uh meant to uh uh celebrate if

2146
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:44,560
that's not the right word uh this

2147
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:46,080
incident that took place where little

2148
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:48,400
aliens came out with shovels and put a

2149
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:50,400
soil into buckets and went back into i

2150
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:52,239
mean that's pretty silly to begin with

2151
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:54,159
even if it happened right i mean it's

2152
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:55,600
all kind of

2153
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:57,520
when you think about it it's called not

2154
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,360
to speak to somebody over you know for

2155
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:01,440
years because of something like this

2156
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:03,920
is just insane amongst itself jim being

2157
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:05,920
the trick sir i guess he was considered

2158
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:07,600
responsible for it but actually i was

2159
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:09,440
the one that had organized it because

2160
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:11,679
they had been paid to do so but the gym

2161
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:13,199
somehow got smacked in the middle of it

2162
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:15,280
because he had the party before this

2163
01:26:19,750 --> 01:26:18,000
event uh over uh his apartment there in

2164
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:19,760
the fort lee or guttenberg maybe it was

2165
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:23,040
by that time uh and and so people of any

2166
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:25,280
nature pro con or indifference were

2167
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:28,239
invited and i guess uh bud considered

2168
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:32,080
that his case and uh so was not very uh

2169
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:33,920
it did not welcome the jim's attention

2170
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:36,639
to the matter well jim held a grudge for

2171
01:26:40,229 --> 01:26:38,719
a very long time too though so i mean it

2172
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:40,239
was both sides

2173
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:42,560
my big of course incident ufo related

2174
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:44,320
incident with the gym which has become

2175
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:46,639
of the historic nature is with taking

2176
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:49,600
the photograph of the this purported

2177
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:51,280
a man in black outside of jack

2178
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:53,280
robinson's apartment building in jersey

2179
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:55,600
city uh this would have been back around

2180
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:58,000
the 1967

2181
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:00,320
68. i can never keep the date in my head

2182
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:01,840
it's written down of course there had

2183
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:03,600
been some widespread ufo sightings

2184
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:05,280
including i believe another incident in

2185
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:07,360
another park there in new jersey where

2186
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:10,960
some teenagers had seen some

2187
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:12,320
creatures i don't believe they were

2188
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:13,760
little men maybe these were taller

2189
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:17,040
hairier uh beings and for some reason

2190
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:19,840
the the mid had uh grown attached to

2191
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:22,000
these uh to these boys they seemed to be

2192
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:24,880
keeping tabs of them and jack robinson

2193
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:27,040
was the main investigator on the case or

2194
01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:30,000
one of the main investigators and uh he

2195
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:32,080
claims that a couple of times his phone

2196
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:34,000
was being uh the calls were being

2197
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:36,560
intercepted somebody was listening in

2198
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:38,239
some of his files had been messed up and

2199
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:39,840
maybe missing or thrown over the

2200
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:42,400
apartment but yet there was no sign of a

2201
01:27:47,110 --> 01:27:45,280
break-in and jack would work over in

2202
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:47,120
manhattan he would take the path train

2203
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:48,400
uh over

2204
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:50,960
to the city uh and surely after he'd

2205
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:52,960
left leave for work his wife uh mary

2206
01:27:56,950 --> 01:27:54,960
robinson for a charming lady would go do

2207
01:27:58,709 --> 01:27:56,960
the shopping in the chores and she

2208
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:58,719
claimed that on the way back she would

2209
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:00,960
notice this standing in the doorway of

2210
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:03,440
the building right next door was this uh

2211
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:05,760
strange looking individual dressed all

2212
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:08,639
in black very zombified

2213
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:11,600
zombified yes zombified yes

2214
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:13,520
and in fact i i think that's what the

2215
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:15,360
men in black are they are

2216
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:18,560
mind-controlled zombies of these other

2217
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:19,920
ultra-terrestrials i mean they're

2218
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:21,360
they're actually humans that are doing

2219
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:24,159
the work the dirty deeds for whoever is

2220
01:28:28,870 --> 01:28:27,360
behind or the ufo so mary would see this

2221
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:28,880
figure standing in the doorway and

2222
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:31,840
report it to the jack and i guess uh it

2223
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:34,239
after a while they thought it was uh

2224
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:35,840
perhaps getting a little bit menacing

2225
01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:37,440
although i don't think there was any uh

2226
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:39,199
overt attempt to silence them or

2227
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:40,400
threaten them or i don't think this

2228
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:42,800
person ever moved anyway jim was very

2229
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:45,920
skeptical of the the story because mary

2230
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:48,320
was a psychic and fooled around with the

2231
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:49,679
ouija board

2232
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:51,840
she unlike jack who was in more nuts and

2233
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:53,280
bolts i think i mean he believed in the

2234
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:55,360
paranormal nature of this but he was

2235
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:57,679
more scientifically inclined if we could

2236
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:00,239
use that uh word while mary was uh

2237
01:29:04,870 --> 01:29:02,639
pretty far out with the psychic and the

2238
01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:04,880
the mediumship stuff but a very nice

2239
01:29:09,669 --> 01:29:07,280
lady and unbelievable to some extent so

2240
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:09,679
jim decided well let he and i go over to

2241
01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:11,760
jersey city one day without telling the

2242
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:13,199
robinson that we're coming to see if

2243
01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:15,360
there's actually somebody in the doorway

2244
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:17,040
monitoring the activities of somebody

2245
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:18,719
coming in and out of the building so

2246
01:29:22,870 --> 01:29:20,800
indeed jim drove and we got to the

2247
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:22,880
building there was somebody standing

2248
01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:25,520
there recess into the doorway jim handed

2249
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:27,760
me the camera i took a couple of one

2250
01:29:31,270 --> 01:29:29,120
shot at least i took one of the

2251
01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:31,280
automobile and we decided we were going

2252
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:33,360
to drive around the block and then jim

2253
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:35,199
would park or double park or something a

2254
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:37,600
very small street that they lived on and

2255
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:39,120
there were cars double parked there all

2256
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:41,120
the time and so forth and so we moved

2257
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:42,639
around the block and that took maybe

2258
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:44,320
about four or five minutes a circle

2259
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:46,400
block we came back and the individual

2260
01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:49,440
was gone and the automobile was gone and

2261
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:51,520
this is the last time that the robinsons

2262
01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:53,280
ever reported seeing anybody there so

2263
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:55,199
it's kind of like instead of this the

2264
01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:57,520
men in black scaring us we spooked them

2265
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:59,120
and they never showed up again so

2266
01:30:02,629 --> 01:30:00,719
basically you spoke the men in black

2267
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:02,639
were about to do the break in case

2268
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:04,239
you're wondering what the sound of dogs

2269
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:06,239
barking is like they're having a debate

2270
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:08,159
out there about ufos or something i'm

2271
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:10,480
not sure much more intense in our debate

2272
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:12,480
but we'll do our best to minimize that i

2273
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:14,400
want to thank on this segment geneva

2274
01:30:19,750 --> 01:30:17,280
hagen and tim beckley for both joining

2275
01:30:21,990 --> 01:30:19,760
us we appreciate everything you've done

2276
01:30:25,990 --> 01:30:22,000
we appreciate both of you for being you

2277
01:30:27,669 --> 01:30:26,000
and jim rest in peace god bless you man

2278
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:27,679
nice to meet you for the first time and

2279
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tim nice to hear you again after so many

2280
01:30:36,190 --> 01:30:32,000
years with gene and chris you're in the

2281
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so as the debate continues here between

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nine dogs from our next-door neighbors

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who are busy debating ufos and things

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that go bump in the night we're debating

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and we're discussing the life and times

2382
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:12,320
of jim mosley one of the unique figures

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in ufo research our complement of people

2384
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over this show has included geneva hagan

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she was co-editor of caveat mtor i was

2386
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the editor

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we also had alan greenfield and tim

2388
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:27,280
beckley bob zanati remains jerry clark

2389
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:29,440
remains i'm going to ask you a question

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jerry looking over all the stuff that

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you've heard

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about jim

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when you first learned that he was

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involved in this straight letter and all

2395
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the hoaxes that kind of put you off as

2396
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to what this guy was no because i don't

2397
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think i ever had any illusions about jim

2398
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:49,040
unlike alan greenfield apparently i'm

2399
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not really sentimental about jim i liked

2400
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jim he and i were quite close in his

2401
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last years and we corresponded the

2402
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old-fashioned way through the mail

2403
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:01,440
because he was not an internet kind of

2404
01:36:07,110 --> 01:36:04,080
guy we actually got pretty close

2405
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:07,120
and i i was fond of him and he confided

2406
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:09,040
a bunch of things in me

2407
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:11,600
and he talked about his impending

2408
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departure from the earth and his

2409
01:36:18,790 --> 01:36:16,800
skepticism about life after death and i

2410
01:36:19,590 --> 01:36:18,800
always liked him i didn't think that jim

2411
01:36:25,990 --> 01:36:19,600
was

2412
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guy who happened because of

2413
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circumstances

2414
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to be able to be in place when a lot of

2415
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interesting things were happening and

2416
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not just

2417
01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:36,159
phenomenologically but culturally and he

2418
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was at the middle of that

2419
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and he got to document a lot of it i

2420
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:42,639
don't think that he really understood a

2421
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:44,800
lot of what was happening around him but

2422
01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:47,280
he was writing it down and that alone

2423
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:49,440
makes him a significant figure

2424
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:52,560
jerry can i can i just make a point here

2425
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:55,600
about this um i remember

2426
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:57,360
very early on

2427
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:59,600
when i met audrey roberts who seemed to

2428
01:37:01,910 --> 01:37:01,040
have quite a bit of information about

2429
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:01,920
jim

2430
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:07,199
rather wealthy he had a a trust fund in

2431
01:37:11,830 --> 01:37:09,520
his name at the something through the

2432
01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:11,840
barber shipping lines or something so in

2433
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:14,239
other words jim was very was very

2434
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,639
wealthy certainly back in those days

2435
01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:18,560
and you know i don't mean this in an

2436
01:37:22,709 --> 01:37:20,560
unkind way but just to make it a bit

2437
01:37:25,189 --> 01:37:22,719
graphic well he wasn't wealthy in a

2438
01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:25,199
rockefeller sense but he was pretty well

2439
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:26,880
i mean you know when you had a few

2440
01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:29,040
hundred thousand at your disposal back

2441
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:31,360
in the 50s and 60s you were certainly

2442
01:37:36,149 --> 01:37:34,000
well to do and money was not his problem

2443
01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:36,159
at the time i i sometimes got the

2444
01:37:39,669 --> 01:37:37,679
impression of um

2445
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:39,679
this sounds pejorative i do not mean it

2446
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:40,560
that way

2447
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:42,880
uh the poor little rich kid who was

2448
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:44,400
looking for kicks

2449
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:46,960
he didn't have to work he could really i

2450
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:49,840
had a feeling that ufology in many in

2451
01:37:53,590 --> 01:37:52,080
in some way was a kind of hobby a

2452
01:37:56,149 --> 01:37:53,600
diversion

2453
01:37:57,830 --> 01:37:56,159
and which maybe accounts for the fact

2454
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:57,840
as some people have observed he never

2455
01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:59,600
really took it sometimes he didn't take

2456
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:01,199
it that seriously

2457
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:02,960
at the time it was a big thing it was

2458
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:04,080
exciting

2459
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:05,760
there were things to do

2460
01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:07,840
activities you could meet people go

2461
01:38:12,629 --> 01:38:10,880
around chase flying saucers and do some

2462
01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:12,639
pseudo research

2463
01:38:17,189 --> 01:38:14,560
that's the kind of feeling i had about

2464
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:17,199
jim based on some of his comments over

2465
01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:19,360
the period of time and i think that greg

2466
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:21,520
barker was a bit like that too

2467
01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:23,760
uh i think the the both of them uh

2468
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:25,760
approached ufology at least at one point

2469
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:28,239
in the early days very much in

2470
01:38:32,470 --> 01:38:30,880
in that sense um just something to do

2471
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:32,480
with diversion you didn't have the

2472
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:33,760
internet you didn't have social

2473
01:38:39,430 --> 01:38:35,760
networking so you went out and chased

2474
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:39,440
flying saucers and um that was uh jim's

2475
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:41,440
attitude for much of it when you start

2476
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:44,639
talking about uh buried treasure or

2477
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:46,880
robbing uh graves

2478
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:48,639
in south america he got extremely

2479
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:50,080
serious and he took this extremely

2480
01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:52,560
seriously and of course that was uh very

2481
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:54,880
important to him i think ufology was a

2482
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:58,639
diversion more than a passion with him i

2483
01:39:01,910 --> 01:39:00,320
think that i agree with just about

2484
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:01,920
everything you say i think these those

2485
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:04,400
are all well taken points i have written

2486
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:07,760
a review uh excuse me obituary of jim

2487
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:10,800
for the british magazine 40 times and

2488
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:13,280
one of the points i make is that because

2489
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:15,199
jim had money

2490
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:17,440
he didn't have to worry about nine to

2491
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:20,159
five diversions so he could basically do

2492
01:39:25,910 --> 01:39:22,560
whatever he wanted to do or whatever he

2493
01:39:28,229 --> 01:39:25,920
bopped into and i think that over time

2494
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:28,239
the ufo social world that he was in just

2495
01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:29,840
because he was like

2496
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:31,679
a whole lot of other people intrigued by

2497
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:34,320
ufo reports i think that in time that

2498
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:37,520
really that the ufo social world became

2499
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:39,360
his social world

2500
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:41,360
that he lived in this world surrounded

2501
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:43,199
by familiar people

2502
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:45,520
that he liked or disliked but who really

2503
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:47,920
kind of defined his life

2504
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:48,719
and

2505
01:39:57,910 --> 01:39:54,560
toward the end but he wasn't

2506
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:57,920
distracted by jobs and and pedestrian

2507
01:40:01,590 --> 01:40:00,000
things like that that the rest of us

2508
01:40:02,790 --> 01:40:01,600
have to deal with so he could do what he

2509
01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:02,800
wanted to do

2510
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:04,800
and he did some interesting things and

2511
01:40:08,310 --> 01:40:07,040
that's what we're talking about

2512
01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:08,320
well one of the things i think we can

2513
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:10,560
bear in mind is that over the years

2514
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:13,280
jim first tried very hard to get control

2515
01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:14,880
of his money was originally set in a

2516
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:17,920
trust fund the money was in the

2517
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:19,360
ownership of something called barber

2518
01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:21,280
steamship lines which was his late

2519
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:22,480
mother's

2520
01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:24,719
parents who had run that company i

2521
01:40:28,070 --> 01:40:25,760
gathered

2522
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:28,080
so he had a lot of money in his name he

2523
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:30,800
had a trust fund that could access with

2524
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:33,440
i guess monthly paychecks but his big

2525
01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:36,239
thing is that he tried to gain control

2526
01:40:40,470 --> 01:40:38,800
and when he finally gained control

2527
01:40:42,149 --> 01:40:40,480
the problem is of course that he kind of

2528
01:40:44,390 --> 01:40:42,159
frittered the money away in rather bad

2529
01:40:47,669 --> 01:40:44,400
investments if he had left well enough

2530
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:47,679
alone he would have been better off

2531
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:49,520
i think something that jerry said a

2532
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:52,080
moment ago should be picked up on i

2533
01:40:56,470 --> 01:40:53,920
think is a very important point actually

2534
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:56,480
and it's it's really obvious

2535
01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:58,719
i think that jim made a major

2536
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:00,000
contribution

2537
01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:03,360
to ufology as he did that's why we're

2538
01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:05,920
paying homage to him today

2539
01:41:10,390 --> 01:41:07,840
because for the very fact that he didn't

2540
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:10,400
have to worry about everyday mundane

2541
01:41:13,109 --> 01:41:11,360
things

2542
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:13,119
going out and having a nine-to-five job

2543
01:41:18,149 --> 01:41:15,199
as you pointed out jury and i think this

2544
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:18,159
allowed him the freedom to do basically

2545
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:20,880
what he wanted i mean you had to be

2546
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:23,040
even today i suppose up to a point

2547
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:25,440
unless you industrialize ufology and

2548
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:28,000
some people have in those days i mean

2549
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:29,760
you had to be very dedicated and you had

2550
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:31,600
to have some means to go around to

2551
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:33,760
follow up all these stories and he did

2552
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:35,679
it very well but i think had he had a

2553
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:37,920
nine-to-five job that would not have

2554
01:41:42,149 --> 01:41:39,199
been possible

2555
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:42,159
and uh we can debate his real personal

2556
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,480
interest in ufology's beliefs about it

2557
01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:46,960
but i think it was just i say again and

2558
01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:48,719
i think you and i both agree i don't

2559
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:50,639
know where jean stands on it but it

2560
01:41:56,229 --> 01:41:53,119
seems to have been a hobby a diversion

2561
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:56,239
it was fun it got big he made a name

2562
01:42:01,350 --> 01:41:58,960
and i may remember him making references

2563
01:42:02,790 --> 01:42:01,360
to that we had a discussion once about

2564
01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:02,800
why you like to go on the radio says

2565
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:04,159
well i'd like people to hear me on the

2566
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:06,400
radio and great marcus said very much

2567
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:08,320
the same thing sorry about the dogs

2568
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:09,440
ladies and gentlemen they're still

2569
01:42:12,790 --> 01:42:11,520
having that debate over things that go

2570
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:12,800
bump in the night which is what's

2571
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:14,880
upsetting them and this is the daytime

2572
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:17,199
are you calling us dogs gene no i'm

2573
01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:18,480
talking about those things you hear in

2574
01:42:25,109 --> 01:42:23,270
just wondering why they're doing that

2575
01:42:27,590 --> 01:42:25,119
but seriously speaking here there was a

2576
01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:27,600
time i think where jim did regard saucer

2577
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:29,360
news as a nine to five job although

2578
01:42:32,390 --> 01:42:31,440
maybe more like a noon to eight o'clock

2579
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:32,400
job

2580
01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:34,800
because for the time that i worked as

2581
01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:37,520
managing editor of saucer news i came in

2582
01:42:40,470 --> 01:42:39,520
there five days a week

2583
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:40,480
worked

2584
01:42:45,590 --> 01:42:43,199
an unusual work day but still

2585
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:45,600
seven eight hours with a lunch break and

2586
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:47,040
jim was there for most of the time

2587
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:48,400
unless he was doing something that

2588
01:42:52,790 --> 01:42:51,040
required his attention so for a time he

2589
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:52,800
really ran that

2590
01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:55,679
as a real product as a real publication

2591
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,800
as a real place of employment for people

2592
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:00,960
very interesting despite the fact that

2593
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:02,960
he didn't have to do that well i was

2594
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:05,199
surprised to hear how successful

2595
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:07,600
uh he was actually with his publications

2596
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:08,400
because

2597
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:10,800
that's amazing i mean i had no idea he

2598
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:12,880
was that successful well you see the big

2599
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:15,679
thing about it though is that there was

2600
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:18,239
a limit to how far he could go and he

2601
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:20,560
saw the limit you know maybe he tried to

2602
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:23,760
push too fast too far with the ufo

2603
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:24,880
convention

2604
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:27,440
in 1967 that was the beginning of the

2605
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:29,280
end of saucer news it was maybe a year

2606
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:31,440
or two later i believe that he sold the

2607
01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:33,679
publication to great bargain

2608
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:37,760
68. that really exhausted him

2609
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:41,040
he realized that after all that work

2610
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:43,119
getting all those thousands of people to

2611
01:43:47,590 --> 01:43:46,080
attend this nationally covered ufo

2612
01:43:48,709 --> 01:43:47,600
convention

2613
01:43:51,109 --> 01:43:48,719
he still

2614
01:43:52,470 --> 01:43:51,119
couldn't show a real profit at the end

2615
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:52,480
if you're running a business you expect

2616
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:54,639
to at least earn enough money to pay

2617
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:56,880
your keep and he didn't he barely broke

2618
01:44:00,629 --> 01:43:58,800
even or maybe he broke even with a small

2619
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:00,639
amount of money but it became very

2620
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:02,880
frustrating he reached this

2621
01:44:06,229 --> 01:44:03,760
limit

2622
01:44:08,950 --> 01:44:06,239
you can only go so far with ufos with

2623
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,960
saucers and then you just had to stop

2624
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:10,080
and

2625
01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:13,520
in 1967 was probably the peak of popular

2626
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:15,360
interest in ufos that's right so you

2627
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:16,960
couldn't make a bundle then you weren't

2628
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:18,400
going to make a month that was it you

2629
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:20,080
could see the cyclical nature because

2630
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:21,600
he'd been in the ufo field since the

2631
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:23,440
early 50s and you can see at this

2632
01:44:28,229 --> 01:44:25,679
particular point in time that after

2633
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:28,239
you've made all this wonderful effort i

2634
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:30,400
mean he really did hard work there this

2635
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:32,960
guy was added seven days a week to build

2636
01:44:37,189 --> 01:44:35,199
this convention to promote it you had

2637
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:37,199
tim and other people i had left the new

2638
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:40,159
york area at the time i came in to visit

2639
01:44:44,629 --> 01:44:42,719
but the key is here is that after all

2640
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:44,639
this effort reaching the pinnacle of

2641
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:46,960
success such as it is

2642
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,760
saucer news couldn't become something

2643
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:51,360
that would exist on the next level and

2644
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:53,199
continue to grow maybe a new stand

2645
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:55,360
publication or something that would go

2646
01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:58,320
on year after year didn't happen ufos

2647
01:45:02,229 --> 01:45:00,239
were always cyclical it's like

2648
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:02,239
over the years you've seen commercial

2649
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:05,040
newsstand publications about ufos

2650
01:45:09,669 --> 01:45:07,199
and they come and they go

2651
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:09,679
because interest just wanes and

2652
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:12,000
increases again where you go we still

2653
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:14,719
have bobs and 90 and jerry clark joining

2654
01:45:20,030 --> 01:45:17,040
gene and chris i'm remembrance of jim

2655
01:45:26,060 --> 01:45:20,040
mosley you're in the paracast

2656
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2657
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2660
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2661
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2673
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2674
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:08,960
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2675
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2676
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2677
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2678
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2679
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2680
01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:20,159
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2681
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:21,760
when stating a central bank issuing the

2682
01:46:24,629 --> 01:46:23,440
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2683
01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:24,639
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2684
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:26,320
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2685
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2686
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2714
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:53,520
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2715
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:54,800
and now

2716
01:48:07,030 --> 01:48:03,750
this is our observance of the life and

2717
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:07,040
times of jim mosley what an amazing life

2718
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:09,119
over the episode so far we've had geneva

2719
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:11,840
hagan tim beckley allen greenfield we

2720
01:48:17,669 --> 01:48:15,040
still have bob zanati and jerry clark

2721
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:17,679
now have you seen this too jerry that

2722
01:48:22,229 --> 01:48:19,440
efforts are made over the years to

2723
01:48:24,790 --> 01:48:22,239
commercialize ufos in a sense to have a

2724
01:48:27,510 --> 01:48:24,800
successful publication or something but

2725
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:27,520
it always fails after a few years

2726
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:31,040
yes i think that with ufos one problem

2727
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:34,000
is that i think even people out there

2728
01:48:39,510 --> 01:48:36,560
the consuming public understand that

2729
01:48:43,189 --> 01:48:39,520
this is just going to go on ambiguously

2730
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:43,199
without resolution and it's just more

2731
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:44,880
and more the same i mean you can read

2732
01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:46,560
all kinds of sightings and encounters

2733
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:48,960
which are very strange and puzzling and

2734
01:48:52,470 --> 01:48:50,080
intriguing

2735
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:52,480
but it just doesn't go anywhere and not

2736
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:55,679
too many people have i think we do

2737
01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:57,760
those of us were speaking here otherwise

2738
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:00,159
it wouldn't be here but you know a

2739
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:02,480
tolerance over a long period of time for

2740
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:05,040
ambiguity and and saucers just don't

2741
01:49:09,350 --> 01:49:07,600
offer anything beyond that and it's just

2742
01:49:12,070 --> 01:49:09,360
isn't something that

2743
01:49:14,229 --> 01:49:12,080
anybody but maybe some unusual people

2744
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:14,239
like us and jim mosley and other people

2745
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:16,080
who are listening to this show

2746
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:17,119
have

2747
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:19,679
and uh you know it's i worked for fate

2748
01:49:24,390 --> 01:49:22,320
magazine for many years as you know and

2749
01:49:27,109 --> 01:49:24,400
fate was able to offer a whole bunch of

2750
01:49:29,590 --> 01:49:27,119
different things to people ufos ghosts

2751
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:29,600
esp archaeological mysteries

2752
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:32,800
cryptozoology all these things so it was

2753
01:49:37,830 --> 01:49:34,880
reaching as many

2754
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:37,840
different fringe audiences as there were

2755
01:49:41,830 --> 01:49:40,159
but i assume also with fate magazine

2756
01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:41,840
you'd vary your coverage depending on

2757
01:49:47,109 --> 01:49:44,880
what was most popular exactly so we were

2758
01:49:49,590 --> 01:49:47,119
able to tap a number of audiences of

2759
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:49,600
people interested in fringe subjects but

2760
01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:52,560
a single focus like ufos as you guys

2761
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:56,080
well know is financially iffy at best i

2762
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:58,159
might be a hopeless romantic and i'm

2763
01:50:01,189 --> 01:50:00,239
going to imply that maybe jim was in his

2764
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:01,199
own way

2765
01:50:04,950 --> 01:50:03,280
today of course everything is industry

2766
01:50:06,790 --> 01:50:04,960
commercialization

2767
01:50:09,910 --> 01:50:06,800
i had the feeling that

2768
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:09,920
being a a business success was not the

2769
01:50:14,149 --> 01:50:11,760
main thing with jim

2770
01:50:17,270 --> 01:50:14,159
because we have to recall that he got

2771
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:17,280
excited about this when ufos were big

2772
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:20,000
and fresh and new and exciting science

2773
01:50:23,830 --> 01:50:22,480
fiction was literally science fiction

2774
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:23,840
nobody been to the moon there hadn't

2775
01:50:27,590 --> 01:50:25,760
been a space shot there were no

2776
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:27,600
satellites and so this was wide open to

2777
01:50:32,310 --> 01:50:30,239
speculation it was extremely exciting

2778
01:50:35,590 --> 01:50:32,320
and to go back to this theme of a

2779
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:35,600
diversion that jim got interested in i

2780
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:37,360
have a feeling that sure i mean he

2781
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:38,800
certainly wanted to break even but i

2782
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:40,080
don't think he was in it to make a

2783
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:41,040
killing

2784
01:50:46,709 --> 01:50:44,400
he wanted though bob to see growth not

2785
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:46,719
contraction he wanted to know that even

2786
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:48,480
if he isn't rolling in money the

2787
01:50:52,950 --> 01:50:50,480
business is growing it's expanding it's

2788
01:50:55,109 --> 01:50:52,960
sustaining itself so once you see the

2789
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:55,119
contraction interest in ufos wayne

2790
01:50:59,590 --> 01:50:57,520
circulation goes down that was the big

2791
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:59,600
killer for him well you knew him more

2792
01:51:03,270 --> 01:51:01,040
from the business point of view too you

2793
01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:03,280
were much closer to him in that respect

2794
01:51:07,590 --> 01:51:04,960
i just wanted to pick up on something

2795
01:51:09,590 --> 01:51:07,600
the jury said or thought that came to me

2796
01:51:12,149 --> 01:51:09,600
you know he kept it going to the tour to

2797
01:51:13,109 --> 01:51:12,159
the end i i subscribed that was one of

2798
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:13,119
the

2799
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:15,360
people who subscribed to saucer smear

2800
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:17,520
over the years and we had correspondents

2801
01:51:21,590 --> 01:51:19,520
we talked on the phone and i had the

2802
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:21,600
feeling from jim that there was a little

2803
01:51:26,149 --> 01:51:23,760
bit of nostalgia towards the end of it

2804
01:51:28,950 --> 01:51:26,159
um i think he somehow realized himself

2805
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:28,960
that as as jerry just said this whole

2806
01:51:32,709 --> 01:51:31,199
thing will never resolve okay never say

2807
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:32,719
never something could happen tomorrow

2808
01:51:36,310 --> 01:51:34,800
very dramatic we don't know but this has

2809
01:51:39,109 --> 01:51:36,320
been going on for so long it's hard to

2810
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:39,119
believe that somehow the verdict is

2811
01:51:42,390 --> 01:51:40,719
going to be pronounced the jury is going

2812
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:42,400
to come back and say we have a verdict

2813
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:44,480
and this is it i think that jim was

2814
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:47,199
doing it sort of out of a routine

2815
01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:50,000
a ritual he just wanted to keep it going

2816
01:51:54,390 --> 01:51:52,880
maybe a slight element of reminiscence

2817
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:54,400
of better days

2818
01:51:58,790 --> 01:51:56,080
i think there may have been an element

2819
01:52:01,109 --> 01:51:58,800
of that that kept jim mosley in ufology

2820
01:52:03,589 --> 01:52:01,119
to the end i think it was the world that

2821
01:52:05,589 --> 01:52:03,599
he knew he was kind of in that world

2822
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:05,599
that that's it jerry exactly what i mean

2823
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:07,840
it was familiar territory he was getting

2824
01:52:12,310 --> 01:52:10,400
on in age and things weren't looking too

2825
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:12,320
good we've heard before you know

2826
01:52:15,510 --> 01:52:13,920
financially things were going down a

2827
01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:15,520
little bit and of course when you're

2828
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:18,639
feeling down you're depressed um

2829
01:52:22,310 --> 01:52:20,159
you turn to things that are familiar

2830
01:52:23,830 --> 01:52:22,320
might cheer you up and he had to kept

2831
01:52:26,550 --> 01:52:23,840
with his old typewriter i'm sure that

2832
01:52:28,870 --> 01:52:26,560
jim would have been totally capable of

2833
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:28,880
mastering a simple computer but it was

2834
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:31,520
this nostalgia this the old days he

2835
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:33,599
brought back the the memories of this

2836
01:52:37,830 --> 01:52:35,599
with us probably is still the same old

2837
01:52:39,910 --> 01:52:37,840
typewriter and the same old method and

2838
01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:39,920
the same old thing i i don't know i i

2839
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:42,719
see a nostalgic side a sensitive side to

2840
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:45,040
jim mosley which maybe he didn't like to

2841
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:48,320
expose in public in in the last few

2842
01:52:54,070 --> 01:52:50,960
years i noticed he went back to the old

2843
01:52:56,390 --> 01:52:54,080
and beloved ufo cases and hashed them

2844
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:56,400
over again kind of like someone

2845
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:58,480
rereading a favorite book from your

2846
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:59,360
youth

2847
01:53:02,790 --> 01:53:00,960
and i think you're absolutely right that

2848
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:02,800
that wasn't there was this

2849
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:05,360
growing element of nostalgia

2850
01:53:09,750 --> 01:53:07,599
but also i think part of the issue is a

2851
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:09,760
comfort level comfort zone

2852
01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:13,040
he had his way of typing and he put out

2853
01:53:16,709 --> 01:53:15,520
magazines that way no longer with that

2854
01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:16,719
absolute

2855
01:53:22,229 --> 01:53:19,679
special justification just typing his

2856
01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:22,239
magazine for many many years

2857
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:23,040
and

2858
01:53:27,669 --> 01:53:25,199
he did not want to have

2859
01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:27,679
or learn a computer or even a more

2860
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:29,760
sophisticated typewriter he didn't have

2861
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:32,080
an answering machine on his phone didn't

2862
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:33,599
use a telephone company's answering

2863
01:53:39,589 --> 01:53:35,760
machine service didn't even have caller

2864
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:39,599
id no fax nothing that's right he

2865
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:41,440
didn't want any of that it was all the

2866
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:43,440
comfort level here's everything he's

2867
01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:45,040
familiar with he doesn't feel the need

2868
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:47,280
to learn anything new as long as he had

2869
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:49,199
the same outlet to express his point of

2870
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:51,520
view it was fine now for example you

2871
01:53:56,310 --> 01:53:54,480
could get saucer smear online

2872
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,320
you could buy an online version but what

2873
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:59,040
jim did was in a sense license the

2874
01:54:03,669 --> 01:54:00,960
product the publication is somebody else

2875
01:54:05,350 --> 01:54:03,679
to distribute yeah yeah in fact i'm just

2876
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:05,360
looking at the online version this

2877
01:54:09,589 --> 01:54:07,440
morning but one thing that strikes me

2878
01:54:13,030 --> 01:54:09,599
too speaking of the internet and ufos

2879
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:13,040
and jim was that when he died gene you

2880
01:54:18,149 --> 01:54:15,679
would put this thing online on ufo

2881
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:18,159
updates that jim had died and there were

2882
01:54:23,350 --> 01:54:20,239
like only about two responses one of

2883
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:23,360
them was mine and i just wondered if if

2884
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:25,360
the the new generation of people

2885
01:54:30,070 --> 01:54:27,920
interested in ufos and active in the ufo

2886
01:54:32,709 --> 01:54:30,080
scene jim is just

2887
01:54:34,390 --> 01:54:32,719
sort of a fading or forgotten figure i

2888
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:34,400
don't know about that because even

2889
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:36,960
though the ufo updates mailing list

2890
01:54:40,550 --> 01:54:38,960
didn't have much response

2891
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:40,560
i saw a lot of action on twitter

2892
01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:42,560
especially on facebook we've got a lot

2893
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:44,320
of responses in our forums from people

2894
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:47,119
who remember jim a surprising number of

2895
01:54:51,350 --> 01:54:49,440
people who actually

2896
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:51,360
had been very close to jim over the

2897
01:54:55,669 --> 01:54:53,599
years talked to him almost

2898
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:55,679
constantly on the phone had late night

2899
01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:57,920
conversations inc including one of the

2900
01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:01,360
paracast's most uh arden skeptics

2901
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:05,280
uh lance moody who much to my surprise

2902
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:07,360
he posted that he had been in constant

2903
01:55:11,430 --> 01:55:10,000
contact with jim for a number of years

2904
01:55:12,470 --> 01:55:11,440
uh monthly

2905
01:55:14,870 --> 01:55:12,480
which

2906
01:55:16,310 --> 01:55:14,880
he said 20 years uh that that really

2907
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:16,320
surprised me

2908
01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:18,480
well i'm glad i had the sense that jim

2909
01:55:23,189 --> 01:55:20,880
actually had many friendships that had

2910
01:55:25,589 --> 01:55:23,199
that it endured and some of which were

2911
01:55:27,430 --> 01:55:25,599
relatively recent so i'm glad to hear

2912
01:55:28,950 --> 01:55:27,440
that i it kind of bothered me i thought

2913
01:55:30,629 --> 01:55:28,960
there'd be more of a discussion on

2914
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:30,639
updates than there was

2915
01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:32,560
i think the one shooting people might

2916
01:55:37,270 --> 01:55:34,960
still be processing it um you know jim

2917
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:37,280
was such a such a

2918
01:55:41,270 --> 01:55:39,920
um he just had such a a presence in the

2919
01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:41,280
field uh

2920
01:55:45,189 --> 01:55:43,360
coming from someone that's uh a little

2921
01:55:47,109 --> 01:55:45,199
younger than you guys i've only really

2922
01:55:49,990 --> 01:55:47,119
been involved in this field uh to the

2923
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:50,000
extent that i have for the past 20 years

2924
01:55:56,070 --> 01:55:53,760
but but i remember you know early on uh

2925
01:55:58,390 --> 01:55:56,080
encountering his name in in various

2926
01:56:00,629 --> 01:55:58,400
contexts about cases and

2927
01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:00,639
and and and and hearing you know people

2928
01:56:06,390 --> 01:56:03,840
describing uh mosley and

2929
01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:06,400
to me who you know now i'm considered

2930
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:08,080
kind of an old-timer in the field after

2931
01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:09,520
20 years

2932
01:56:13,350 --> 01:56:11,760
to me he had almost like a mythic kind

2933
01:56:17,109 --> 01:56:13,360
of presence uh

2934
01:56:19,510 --> 01:56:17,119
and it was always that it that erasable

2935
01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:19,520
sort of as as someone pointed out

2936
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:22,320
earlier that that that ah contrarian

2937
01:56:27,830 --> 01:56:25,280
kind of persona that i always really

2938
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:27,840
um appreciated and

2939
01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:29,760
you know as i said before i think this

2940
01:56:33,990 --> 01:56:31,920
field needs more of that uh that

2941
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:34,000
challenging our contrarian type and

2942
01:56:39,030 --> 01:56:37,119
energy to keep things moving forward to

2943
01:56:40,790 --> 01:56:39,040
to you know break up these static

2944
01:56:42,629 --> 01:56:40,800
systems of belief that we're we're

2945
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:42,639
seeing just running rough shot over this

2946
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:44,400
whole thing chris i have to disagree

2947
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:46,080
with you there i don't think there's any

2948
01:56:50,870 --> 01:56:48,880
absence of conflict and disagreement and

2949
01:56:53,910 --> 01:56:50,880
debate within the subject there always

2950
01:56:56,790 --> 01:56:53,920
has been because ufology this is just

2951
01:56:59,589 --> 01:56:56,800
the the phenomenon itself offers so many

2952
01:57:02,870 --> 01:56:59,599
possibilities for interpretation in fact

2953
01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:02,880
i eventually came to conclude that that

2954
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maybe there's more than one thing going

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on and that's why there's so many

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arguments that go on because people are

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focused on one thing and not another

2958
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earlier in the show we heard from geneva

2959
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hagen we heard from alan greenfield we

2960
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heard from tim beckley as we progress

2961
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with this episode

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we have bob zinati and jerry clark still

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with us to remember jim mosley and his

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impact on the ufo feel with gene and

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we have jerry clark and chris o'brien

3059
02:02:09,510 --> 02:02:07,199
i suppose having a little discussion

3060
02:02:11,589 --> 02:02:09,520
chris yeah i you know i totally agree

3061
02:02:13,910 --> 02:02:11,599
with you jerry obviously this field is

3062
02:02:16,310 --> 02:02:13,920
filled with with viewpoints some you

3063
02:02:19,430 --> 02:02:16,320
know very divergent from one another but

3064
02:02:21,270 --> 02:02:19,440
what separated mosley out in my mind

3065
02:02:23,270 --> 02:02:21,280
from everybody else it was always done

3066
02:02:26,550 --> 02:02:23,280
with a twinkle in the eye and that kind

3067
02:02:29,109 --> 02:02:26,560
of that elbow in the ribs type energy

3068
02:02:30,390 --> 02:02:29,119
people in this field are too darn

3069
02:02:34,070 --> 02:02:30,400
serious

3070
02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:34,080
and jim was was one of those few kind of

3071
02:02:38,229 --> 02:02:35,840
wonderful lighter

3072
02:02:40,229 --> 02:02:38,239
you know just niggling kind of get under

3073
02:02:42,070 --> 02:02:40,239
your skin kind of characters

3074
02:02:43,830 --> 02:02:42,080
in some sense she never really knew if

3075
02:02:45,589 --> 02:02:43,840
he really believed what he was saying or

3076
02:02:46,470 --> 02:02:45,599
if he was just taking that contrarian

3077
02:02:48,149 --> 02:02:46,480
viewpoint

3078
02:02:50,629 --> 02:02:48,159
that is what i'm describing that this

3079
02:02:53,189 --> 02:02:50,639
field needs more of i certainly agree

3080
02:02:55,270 --> 02:02:53,199
that jim is harassable was irratible i

3081
02:02:57,669 --> 02:02:55,280
think that's a very good adjective

3082
02:03:01,030 --> 02:02:57,679
i don't agree with the premise that jim

3083
02:03:03,189 --> 02:03:01,040
was needed in the field because jim was

3084
02:03:05,750 --> 02:03:03,199
highly intelligent without being

3085
02:03:07,589 --> 02:03:05,760
intellectually oriented there are plenty

3086
02:03:08,550 --> 02:03:07,599
of intellectually oriented people in the

3087
02:03:10,709 --> 02:03:08,560
field

3088
02:03:13,430 --> 02:03:10,719
who in my experience have perfectly

3089
02:03:14,709 --> 02:03:13,440
sound senses of humor senses of the

3090
02:03:17,189 --> 02:03:14,719
absurd

3091
02:03:19,589 --> 02:03:17,199
and who disagree about all kinds of

3092
02:03:22,470 --> 02:03:19,599
things i think that when you talk about

3093
02:03:24,709 --> 02:03:22,480
jim it's not it's hard to pinpoint

3094
02:03:26,470 --> 02:03:24,719
like he did this to advance our

3095
02:03:28,870 --> 02:03:26,480
understanding i don't think that he

3096
02:03:30,950 --> 02:03:28,880
really did that and i don't think that

3097
02:03:33,510 --> 02:03:30,960
was really his role

3098
02:03:36,550 --> 02:03:33,520
i think he just enjoyed being a

3099
02:03:39,109 --> 02:03:36,560
character on the scene who

3100
02:03:41,589 --> 02:03:39,119
liked to go with whatever interested him

3101
02:03:44,390 --> 02:03:41,599
and if it riled other people up that was

3102
02:03:46,709 --> 02:03:44,400
fine but i don't think that jim was like

3103
02:03:48,790 --> 02:03:46,719
some kind of intellectual figure

3104
02:03:51,589 --> 02:03:48,800
somebody who was really pushing the ball

3105
02:03:53,270 --> 02:03:51,599
forward i think he was just the guy who

3106
02:03:55,990 --> 02:03:53,280
got involved in this

3107
02:03:57,910 --> 02:03:56,000
and put in what he wanted to put in and

3108
02:04:00,070 --> 02:03:57,920
had a lot of fun with it the point i

3109
02:04:02,470 --> 02:04:00,080
think jerry is well taken because

3110
02:04:04,149 --> 02:04:02,480
rarely did he get terribly emotional

3111
02:04:06,709 --> 02:04:04,159
about the subject of

3112
02:04:08,470 --> 02:04:06,719
ufos or flying saucers as we used to

3113
02:04:11,109 --> 02:04:08,480
call them it was very tolerant to use

3114
02:04:14,310 --> 02:04:11,119
that word again i have used it before um

3115
02:04:18,229 --> 02:04:14,320
he he was open you could talk to him he

3116
02:04:19,669 --> 02:04:18,239
didn't get riled easily you never knew

3117
02:04:20,870 --> 02:04:19,679
it was a bit inscrutable you never know

3118
02:04:22,470 --> 02:04:20,880
what he thought of you or what he was

3119
02:04:24,870 --> 02:04:22,480
really thinking but he was always a

3120
02:04:26,229 --> 02:04:24,880
gentleman that word has come up too and

3121
02:04:27,669 --> 02:04:26,239
something jerry you said in the last

3122
02:04:30,149 --> 02:04:27,679
segment i think is

3123
02:04:32,709 --> 02:04:30,159
worth focusing on for a moment uh you

3124
02:04:34,709 --> 02:04:32,719
and gene didn't agree 100 on it but i

3125
02:04:37,030 --> 02:04:34,719
you were talking about let's say the

3126
02:04:40,229 --> 02:04:37,040
passing parade of ufological

3127
02:04:41,589 --> 02:04:40,239
personalities and characters and uh i i

3128
02:04:43,109 --> 02:04:41,599
agree with you there i think it's very

3129
02:04:45,589 --> 02:04:43,119
much like in show business you know

3130
02:04:47,910 --> 02:04:45,599
mostly the kids today kids like sounds

3131
02:04:50,790 --> 02:04:47,920
pejorative maybe it is they know brad

3132
02:04:54,629 --> 02:04:50,800
pitt and all the other modern stars brad

3133
02:04:58,629 --> 02:04:56,629
no i mean the the the younger generation

3134
02:05:00,950 --> 02:04:58,639
of moviegoers but you mentioned rock

3135
02:05:02,229 --> 02:05:00,960
hudson or you mentioned doris day and

3136
02:05:05,350 --> 02:05:02,239
they look at you like you're from

3137
02:05:06,629 --> 02:05:05,360
another planet uh so i'm afraid that jim

3138
02:05:08,070 --> 02:05:06,639
is probably

3139
02:05:10,790 --> 02:05:08,080
we're all eventually going to go this

3140
02:05:12,709 --> 02:05:10,800
way it's it's like pews in a church you

3141
02:05:15,030 --> 02:05:12,719
know we start at the back and we keep

3142
02:05:17,669 --> 02:05:15,040
moving up and moving up and moving up

3143
02:05:21,030 --> 02:05:17,679
and jim was just in the last the the

3144
02:05:21,990 --> 02:05:21,040
last pew right in the front he's gone

3145
02:05:25,030 --> 02:05:22,000
and

3146
02:05:26,310 --> 02:05:25,040
we are probably in the next one or

3147
02:05:28,950 --> 02:05:26,320
thereafter

3148
02:05:31,510 --> 02:05:28,960
yeah we will be forgotten

3149
02:05:34,310 --> 02:05:31,520
and the next one will come along so i

3150
02:05:35,189 --> 02:05:34,320
think that maybe is also another reason

3151
02:05:37,510 --> 02:05:35,199
why

3152
02:05:38,950 --> 02:05:37,520
he was philosophical i think he realized

3153
02:05:40,550 --> 02:05:38,960
that this was not a

3154
02:05:42,629 --> 02:05:40,560
this was an ephemeral thing it was not

3155
02:05:45,669 --> 02:05:42,639
going to last forever he had his moment

3156
02:05:47,109 --> 02:05:45,679
of glory he enjoyed it he had his moment

3157
02:05:49,430 --> 02:05:47,119
in the sun

3158
02:05:51,189 --> 02:05:49,440
on the stage and he knew it eventually

3159
02:05:53,189 --> 02:05:51,199
it was going to end and i think towards

3160
02:05:54,790 --> 02:05:53,199
the very end of his life

3161
02:05:56,550 --> 02:05:54,800
as it has been suggested here at the

3162
02:05:58,070 --> 02:05:56,560
very beginning of the show geneva

3163
02:06:00,229 --> 02:05:58,080
brought this up and that letter i

3164
02:06:01,830 --> 02:06:00,239
thought was very touching i sincerely

3165
02:06:02,950 --> 02:06:01,840
believe that he was starting to get

3166
02:06:05,750 --> 02:06:02,960
spiritual

3167
02:06:07,830 --> 02:06:05,760
you know it can happen maybe it kicked

3168
02:06:10,790 --> 02:06:07,840
in and i think that's what happened he

3169
02:06:12,709 --> 02:06:10,800
was correlating everything that he had

3170
02:06:13,669 --> 02:06:12,719
been exposed to for all of these many

3171
02:06:15,669 --> 02:06:13,679
years

3172
02:06:17,750 --> 02:06:15,679
and suddenly lying there realizing he

3173
02:06:20,070 --> 02:06:17,760
was on his way out maybe something

3174
02:06:21,750 --> 02:06:20,080
snapped something gelled and there was a

3175
02:06:23,189 --> 02:06:21,760
moment of enlightenment he used that

3176
02:06:25,589 --> 02:06:23,199
word in his letter

3177
02:06:28,229 --> 02:06:25,599
or it was mentioned i i have a moment of

3178
02:06:29,750 --> 02:06:28,239
enlightenment so i think that would be a

3179
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:29,760
nice ending

3180
02:06:35,589 --> 02:06:32,880
to the life of uh jim mosley you know i

3181
02:06:36,870 --> 02:06:35,599
i agree bob and i jerry obviously i i

3182
02:06:38,709 --> 02:06:36,880
agree that

3183
02:06:40,629 --> 02:06:38,719
you know in the final analysis jim

3184
02:06:42,950 --> 02:06:40,639
mosley is you know is an interesting

3185
02:06:45,350 --> 02:06:42,960
footnote in the history of this field

3186
02:06:48,870 --> 02:06:45,360
what i was trying to bring out was

3187
02:06:49,990 --> 02:06:48,880
the attitude we really need more people

3188
02:06:52,550 --> 02:06:50,000
that are more

3189
02:06:54,390 --> 02:06:52,560
trickster-ish i think in the field i i

3190
02:06:55,510 --> 02:06:54,400
think we need people to play both sides

3191
02:06:58,550 --> 02:06:55,520
of the fence

3192
02:07:00,790 --> 02:06:58,560
and and do so with confidence there's

3193
02:07:02,470 --> 02:07:00,800
this too much of a seriousness i think

3194
02:07:04,069 --> 02:07:02,480
that pervades the field there's not

3195
02:07:05,669 --> 02:07:04,079
enough playfulness

3196
02:07:07,350 --> 02:07:05,679
if i was going to bring out a point that

3197
02:07:08,390 --> 02:07:07,360
would be it i think you're absolutely

3198
02:07:10,550 --> 02:07:08,400
right

3199
02:07:13,189 --> 02:07:10,560
i'm more of a casual observer of the

3200
02:07:15,589 --> 02:07:13,199
scene than you are you guys are more

3201
02:07:18,069 --> 02:07:15,599
directly involved i'm an observer and

3202
02:07:21,030 --> 02:07:18,079
i've sensed this myself chris it's true

3203
02:07:23,350 --> 02:07:21,040
it's so bloody deadly serious everything

3204
02:07:25,910 --> 02:07:23,360
that you hear people i'm afraid part of

3205
02:07:28,310 --> 02:07:25,920
the seriousness is largely due to some

3206
02:07:31,430 --> 02:07:28,320
people or many people taking themselves

3207
02:07:34,550 --> 02:07:31,440
too seriously not only the subject but

3208
02:07:37,270 --> 02:07:34,560
it's become a bit egocentric we had of

3209
02:07:39,510 --> 02:07:37,280
course the the weirdos back in the 50s

3210
02:07:42,069 --> 02:07:39,520
who made wild claims we all know those

3211
02:07:43,669 --> 02:07:42,079
classic stories uh but it was like a

3212
02:07:45,589 --> 02:07:43,679
sideshow at a circus and i think most

3213
02:07:47,109 --> 02:07:45,599
people treated it that way

3214
02:07:48,950 --> 02:07:47,119
they told a good story and people

3215
02:07:51,510 --> 02:07:48,960
appreciated it there was no television

3216
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:51,520
or not much people enjoy telling stories

3217
02:07:54,790 --> 02:07:53,280
and everything but today it's it's all

3218
02:07:57,669 --> 02:07:54,800
scientized

3219
02:08:00,550 --> 02:07:57,679
it's also serious and i'm sorry to say

3220
02:08:02,790 --> 02:08:00,560
it is so commercialized it's become i i

3221
02:08:05,669 --> 02:08:02,800
refer to it as the ufo

3222
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industry all of the offbeat the the

3223
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paranormal

3224
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so much of it has become so

3225
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commercialized and i think that the

3226
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whole spark the enthusiasm um the

3227
02:08:18,950 --> 02:08:15,920
excitement that surrounded it years ago

3228
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has gone and we said this also in that

3229
02:08:23,510 --> 02:08:21,920
show gene you remember chris we did uh

3230
02:08:25,669 --> 02:08:23,520
thank god we we

3231
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we talked about it you and i gene right

3232
02:08:28,790 --> 02:08:26,960
and he said you know this would be a

3233
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good idea back in may and it's in the

3234
02:08:34,069 --> 02:08:31,840
archives here on on the power cast that

3235
02:08:36,470 --> 02:08:34,079
would really be worthwhile because jim

3236
02:08:39,030 --> 02:08:36,480
was on that show he's appeared before

3237
02:08:41,669 --> 02:08:39,040
and after as well but i think so much of

3238
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his memories he was so excited during

3239
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that show i remember it i was so

3240
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surprised how bright he was and he

3241
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enjoyed it he enjoyed going back in the

3242
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past those glorious moments and they'll

3243
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simply never come again it's like all of

3244
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us say as we get older things just ain't

3245
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the way they used to be and that's in

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many cases literally true well in this

3247
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particular case one of the things you

3248
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have here is someone who's willing

3249
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to number one listen to consider a lot

3250
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of different points of view not to take

3251
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people too seriously you know to be

3252
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entertained by our imperfections and

3253
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that's the problem with jim gone with

3254
02:09:20,069 --> 02:09:17,920
saucer smear gone and yes he had some

3255
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associate editors who may

3256
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want to continue the publication but it

3257
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will never be the same

3258
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everywhere when you lose the the emmy

3259
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knows these the the driving force

3260
02:09:34,310 --> 02:09:33,040
you know as they used to say in the in

3261
02:09:36,310 --> 02:09:34,320
the commercials

3262
02:09:38,550 --> 02:09:36,320
there are many imitators but only the

3263
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original will be the same you know it's

3264
02:09:40,709 --> 02:09:39,360
it's

3265
02:09:43,589 --> 02:09:40,719
there's no replacement for jim there

3266
02:09:45,430 --> 02:09:43,599
never will be he was a personality we're

3267
02:09:47,589 --> 02:09:45,440
personalities everyone in the field is a

3268
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personality and

3269
02:09:53,910 --> 02:09:51,119
you know i i just was rather uh ready to

3270
02:09:55,910 --> 02:09:53,920
to to pose the rhetorical question

3271
02:09:57,589 --> 02:09:55,920
cool bodies you know where are we going

3272
02:09:59,270 --> 02:09:57,599
who's going to pick up where jim left

3273
02:10:01,030 --> 02:09:59,280
off well

3274
02:10:03,430 --> 02:10:01,040
you're doing it others on the show are

3275
02:10:06,629 --> 02:10:03,440
doing it but how long will this first

3276
02:10:08,550 --> 02:10:06,639
sake continue to burn well bob i think

3277
02:10:10,870 --> 02:10:08,560
that you've got it exactly when you say

3278
02:10:13,030 --> 02:10:10,880
that that jim was a personality and

3279
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that's how he will be remembered and i

3280
02:10:16,629 --> 02:10:15,520
don't think he has to be replaced let's

3281
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just stop it there because you have to

3282
02:10:20,470 --> 02:10:18,400
split to the next segment then we'll

3283
02:10:26,050 --> 02:10:20,480
continue that discussion here with gene

3284
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[Music]

3392
02:14:51,960 --> 02:14:48,960
hi my name is richard dolan you're

3393
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listening to the paracast

3394
02:15:02,069 --> 02:15:00,229
we continue to look at the life and

3395
02:15:04,229 --> 02:15:02,079
times of jim mosley with two of his

3396
02:15:06,629 --> 02:15:04,239
friends still remaining with us earlier

3397
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we had geneva hagan tim beckley allen

3398
02:15:11,669 --> 02:15:08,880
greenfield now we have bob zanati and

3399
02:15:13,830 --> 02:15:11,679
jerry clark jerry you're about to start

3400
02:15:16,310 --> 02:15:13,840
something a discussion about jim and his

3401
02:15:18,870 --> 02:15:16,320
impact go ahead please yes jim is

3402
02:15:21,189 --> 02:15:18,880
irreplaceable and i don't think that

3403
02:15:23,030 --> 02:15:21,199
that means that he we have to find

3404
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somebody replacing because i don't think

3405
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that what he was doing was that

3406
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essential it was interesting because it

3407
02:15:33,270 --> 02:15:30,639
was jim and it was jim's personality and

3408
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was jim's way of doing things and that

3409
02:15:37,109 --> 02:15:35,199
was all it had to be

3410
02:15:39,510 --> 02:15:37,119
it didn't have to have any larger

3411
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:39,520
significance it was clearly what he was

3412
02:15:44,149 --> 02:15:42,000
doing was interesting enough so a lot of

3413
02:15:45,510 --> 02:15:44,159
people paid attention to a lot of people

3414
02:15:47,750 --> 02:15:45,520
wanted to be his friends want to be

3415
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:47,760
around him in that sense he was

3416
02:15:52,390 --> 02:15:50,400
successful he was successful at being

3417
02:15:54,950 --> 02:15:52,400
jim mosley and that's all he needed to

3418
02:15:56,709 --> 02:15:54,960
be you're really hitting it uh jerry you

3419
02:15:59,030 --> 02:15:56,719
and i are really on the same

3420
02:16:00,390 --> 02:15:59,040
the same frequency here because

3421
02:16:02,310 --> 02:16:00,400
i remember

3422
02:16:04,950 --> 02:16:02,320
in broadcasting we we've had many

3423
02:16:06,950 --> 02:16:04,960
discussions and i used to do some

3424
02:16:09,589 --> 02:16:06,960
lecturing at um

3425
02:16:11,669 --> 02:16:09,599
college level about communications and

3426
02:16:13,430 --> 02:16:11,679
and broadcasting personalities was one

3427
02:16:15,350 --> 02:16:13,440
subject that always came up

3428
02:16:17,589 --> 02:16:15,360
you've just made a very important point

3429
02:16:19,750 --> 02:16:17,599
not only for ufological personalities

3430
02:16:21,189 --> 02:16:19,760
but for everybody in this world you know

3431
02:16:23,189 --> 02:16:21,199
especially in broadcasting you'll

3432
02:16:25,189 --> 02:16:23,199
understand this an appreciated gene

3433
02:16:26,870 --> 02:16:25,199
there's so many people who imitate you

3434
02:16:29,750 --> 02:16:26,880
know they've got imitators

3435
02:16:31,510 --> 02:16:29,760
and clones of other people but in this

3436
02:16:34,070 --> 02:16:31,520
life in this world no matter whether

3437
02:16:36,549 --> 02:16:34,080
it's ufos or broadcasting or cooking

3438
02:16:38,629 --> 02:16:36,559
there is only one person

3439
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that each and every one of us can

3440
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possibly be and that is ourselves

3441
02:16:47,030 --> 02:16:43,840
and i think you've hit it there jerry

3442
02:16:49,669 --> 02:16:47,040
that is one of the magic secrets

3443
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:49,679
of jim like arthur godfrey was once

3444
02:16:52,709 --> 02:16:50,880
asked

3445
02:16:54,790 --> 02:16:52,719
you know this this personality probably

3446
02:16:57,110 --> 02:16:54,800
nobody knows them anymore except people

3447
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in our generation laid back uh you

3448
02:17:02,870 --> 02:16:59,679
played the ukulele on cbs television

3449
02:17:05,830 --> 02:17:02,880
radio he was a a real personality a huge

3450
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personality a huge personality forgotten

3451
02:17:12,870 --> 02:17:09,760
now unfortunately another radio ham too

3452
02:17:15,190 --> 02:17:12,880
yeah and i even remember arthur godfrey

3453
02:17:17,190 --> 02:17:15,200
well he was once asked in an interview

3454
02:17:19,110 --> 02:17:17,200
arthur i think in those days you were

3455
02:17:21,509 --> 02:17:19,120
more formal mr godfrey

3456
02:17:24,549 --> 02:17:21,519
to what do you attribute your enormous

3457
02:17:27,110 --> 02:17:24,559
popularity and he said i'm myself

3458
02:17:29,190 --> 02:17:27,120
and that is what jim did you made a

3459
02:17:31,990 --> 02:17:29,200
great point jerry it just clicked when

3460
02:17:33,429 --> 02:17:32,000
you said that that's the point among all

3461
02:17:36,070 --> 02:17:33,439
of these factors that is one of the

3462
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major points that jim mosley and not

3463
02:17:41,589 --> 02:17:38,559
only jim but all the other people who

3464
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stand out and will be remembered in the

3465
02:17:46,950 --> 02:17:43,840
history books of ufology and other

3466
02:17:48,950 --> 02:17:46,960
paranormal or offbeat subjects

3467
02:17:50,389 --> 02:17:48,960
that's exactly the point

3468
02:17:53,110 --> 02:17:50,399
they were themselves they were

3469
02:17:55,910 --> 02:17:53,120
individual characters that were

3470
02:17:57,349 --> 02:17:55,920
memorable okay well how about this aside

3471
02:17:59,669 --> 02:17:57,359
from so many of the people you hear

3472
02:18:02,389 --> 02:17:59,679
today you hear when you hear them all

3473
02:18:03,589 --> 02:18:02,399
well bob how many other people currently

3474
02:18:06,150 --> 02:18:03,599
in the field

3475
02:18:08,389 --> 02:18:06,160
have perpetrated hoaxes and then came

3476
02:18:09,349 --> 02:18:08,399
forward and said ha got you and then

3477
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were

3478
02:18:14,389 --> 02:18:11,679
taken seriously you know from then on

3479
02:18:16,549 --> 02:18:14,399
out i mean jim mosey is a standalone

3480
02:18:18,790 --> 02:18:16,559
character in that regard well he and

3481
02:18:20,870 --> 02:18:18,800
gray barker were great at it in fact um

3482
02:18:22,709 --> 02:18:20,880
i was listening to the story of this

3483
02:18:25,349 --> 02:18:22,719
this man in black outside of jack

3484
02:18:27,509 --> 02:18:25,359
robinson's apartment there and the the

3485
02:18:29,750 --> 02:18:27,519
story came to me and anecdoted augie

3486
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:29,760
augie roberts augustine roberts told me

3487
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:31,760
that it was played on augie a lot of

3488
02:18:36,150 --> 02:18:35,040
hoaxes were played on poor old doggy

3489
02:18:38,629 --> 02:18:36,160
anyway

3490
02:18:40,469 --> 02:18:38,639
basically he and gray barker were in the

3491
02:18:42,709 --> 02:18:40,479
fort lee at the apartment up there near

3492
02:18:45,110 --> 02:18:42,719
the george washington bridge and augie

3493
02:18:47,910 --> 02:18:45,120
was was sitting there and i'll give you

3494
02:18:50,629 --> 02:18:47,920
the short version of it basically

3495
02:18:53,190 --> 02:18:50,639
jim and gray decided to bring in a

3496
02:18:55,030 --> 02:18:53,200
strange figure now auggie was sitting

3497
02:18:56,230 --> 02:18:55,040
there watching television it was all

3498
02:18:57,910 --> 02:18:56,240
arranged

3499
02:19:01,190 --> 02:18:57,920
a strange figure

3500
02:19:03,349 --> 02:19:01,200
dressed in black no te bene

3501
02:19:05,910 --> 02:19:03,359
came down and sat in the chair next to

3502
02:19:07,750 --> 02:19:05,920
augie and augie took sort of a double

3503
02:19:09,910 --> 02:19:07,760
take wondered what happened looked

3504
02:19:12,549 --> 02:19:09,920
around and then it was arranged in such

3505
02:19:15,589 --> 02:19:12,559
a way that this guy went in or went out

3506
02:19:17,990 --> 02:19:15,599
a door and disappeared gray and um and

3507
02:19:19,990 --> 02:19:18,000
jim had this all arranged jim came in

3508
02:19:22,070 --> 02:19:20,000
with a gun saying what's going on here

3509
02:19:23,669 --> 02:19:22,080
i'm after you know and it only came out

3510
02:19:26,469 --> 02:19:23,679
later that the whole thing had been

3511
02:19:28,230 --> 02:19:26,479
staged so these guys were great hoaxers

3512
02:19:31,349 --> 02:19:28,240
and i wonder how many of their great

3513
02:19:33,990 --> 02:19:31,359
hoaxes went to the grave with them i

3514
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:34,000
don't think we heard any just said

3515
02:19:38,469 --> 02:19:36,160
confessions about some of those all of

3516
02:19:40,950 --> 02:19:38,479
those hoaxes anyway maybe some sort of

3517
02:19:43,110 --> 02:19:40,960
uh you know little package of true

3518
02:19:45,669 --> 02:19:43,120
confessions might uh surface at some

3519
02:19:48,230 --> 02:19:45,679
point in the near future you know one

3520
02:19:50,790 --> 02:19:48,240
can only wonder i sometimes wonder about

3521
02:19:52,550 --> 02:19:50,800
the origin of the west virginia monster

3522
02:19:54,469 --> 02:19:52,560
and the one who was the first one on

3523
02:19:56,870 --> 02:19:54,479
that story was gray barker you mean

3524
02:19:58,469 --> 02:19:56,880
flatwoods flatwoods yeah well there was

3525
02:20:01,030 --> 02:19:58,479
an external event it was not gray

3526
02:20:03,110 --> 02:20:01,040
barker's hoax

3527
02:20:07,910 --> 02:20:05,910
and does not resemble other events so

3528
02:20:10,070 --> 02:20:07,920
we'll go out of that more involved in

3529
02:20:12,630 --> 02:20:10,080
any way i don't think so this was very

3530
02:20:14,630 --> 02:20:12,640
early in gray barker's career by the

3531
02:20:16,790 --> 02:20:14,640
same token when we talk about albert

3532
02:20:18,950 --> 02:20:16,800
bender the guy who said that he was

3533
02:20:20,950 --> 02:20:18,960
visited by three men in black originally

3534
02:20:23,429 --> 02:20:20,960
or ostensibly because he knew too much

3535
02:20:25,349 --> 02:20:23,439
about flying saucers then i think ray

3536
02:20:27,510 --> 02:20:25,359
barker was very serious about what he

3537
02:20:29,429 --> 02:20:27,520
wrote and then started to look with

3538
02:20:31,270 --> 02:20:29,439
amusement on the subject yeah i think

3539
02:20:34,150 --> 02:20:31,280
that grace started out seriously from

3540
02:20:36,230 --> 02:20:34,160
all available evidence in the early

3541
02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:36,240
years he did some actual field

3542
02:20:40,070 --> 02:20:38,880
investigation and then i think that it

3543
02:20:42,070 --> 02:20:40,080
kind of all

3544
02:20:44,150 --> 02:20:42,080
fell apart

3545
02:20:47,030 --> 02:20:44,160
into a course but i think that the

3546
02:20:49,590 --> 02:20:47,040
flatwood thing really happened and

3547
02:20:53,110 --> 02:20:49,600
bender did tell this story however much

3548
02:20:56,230 --> 02:20:53,120
gray exaggerated it and exploited it

3549
02:20:58,710 --> 02:20:56,240
there was some precipitating event but i

3550
02:21:00,230 --> 02:20:58,720
think that that the hoaxes that i wonder

3551
02:21:02,630 --> 02:21:00,240
about are the hoaxes

3552
02:21:04,389 --> 02:21:02,640
that the phone hoaxes that john keel

3553
02:21:06,230 --> 02:21:04,399
describes in the mothman prophecies

3554
02:21:08,710 --> 02:21:06,240
where he's out on the road in west

3555
02:21:11,110 --> 02:21:08,720
virginia and ohio investigating mib and

3556
02:21:13,830 --> 02:21:11,120
monsters and ufos and he's getting these

3557
02:21:15,910 --> 02:21:13,840
strange phone calls i just wonder

3558
02:21:18,550 --> 02:21:15,920
if barker and mosley's

3559
02:21:20,309 --> 02:21:18,560
voice prince aren't on those phone calls

3560
02:21:21,349 --> 02:21:20,319
i really don't think so because i think

3561
02:21:23,670 --> 02:21:21,359
that if

3562
02:21:25,429 --> 02:21:23,680
if jim had done that i think he would

3563
02:21:26,870 --> 02:21:25,439
have told one of us he would have told

3564
02:21:28,870 --> 02:21:26,880
me he would have told beckley would have

3565
02:21:30,790 --> 02:21:28,880
told somebody of his acquaintance he

3566
02:21:32,710 --> 02:21:30,800
didn't hide things about his life once

3567
02:21:35,030 --> 02:21:32,720
he began to admit everything once he

3568
02:21:37,670 --> 02:21:35,040
decided to let it all hang out there was

3569
02:21:39,910 --> 02:21:37,680
no secret of that sort and you have to

3570
02:21:42,230 --> 02:21:39,920
look back at john keel and you wonder if

3571
02:21:45,990 --> 02:21:42,240
john keel maybe didn't

3572
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:46,000
embellish a bit is that possible

3573
02:21:50,710 --> 02:21:47,840
yeah is that possible

3574
02:21:53,110 --> 02:21:50,720
yes that seems reasonable yes gene can i

3575
02:21:56,389 --> 02:21:53,120
throw a question to you uh the word

3576
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:56,399
wannacu that wanakew reservoir flap back

3577
02:22:01,110 --> 02:21:58,880
in the uh the mid sixties in my neck of

3578
02:22:03,190 --> 02:22:01,120
the woods in north jersey uh augie

3579
02:22:06,389 --> 02:22:03,200
roberts and i uh investigated that but

3580
02:22:07,910 --> 02:22:06,399
apparently you and jim uh beat us to it

3581
02:22:09,270 --> 02:22:07,920
you have to clarify that because you

3582
02:22:11,510 --> 02:22:09,280
didn't really go into detail what

3583
02:22:13,910 --> 02:22:11,520
happened well it was a very cold night i

3584
02:22:15,590 --> 02:22:13,920
remember it was very cold and several of

3585
02:22:17,750 --> 02:22:15,600
us who work with jim at saucer news went

3586
02:22:19,830 --> 02:22:17,760
out there to look things over and maybe

3587
02:22:21,110 --> 02:22:19,840
talk to a few people i don't think we

3588
02:22:23,510 --> 02:22:21,120
necessarily

3589
02:22:27,030 --> 02:22:23,520
learn anything new or special from that

3590
02:22:29,349 --> 02:22:27,040
visit but the key thing about it is that

3591
02:22:32,309 --> 02:22:29,359
it was cold that's all i remember today

3592
02:22:35,190 --> 02:22:32,319
all i remember is the fact that i was

3593
02:22:37,590 --> 02:22:35,200
freezing we were on top this reservoir

3594
02:22:39,349 --> 02:22:37,600
it was very cold i didn't take a jacket

3595
02:22:41,349 --> 02:22:39,359
that was warm enough i was shivering i

3596
02:22:43,590 --> 02:22:41,359
was saying i've had enough of this let's

3597
02:22:45,990 --> 02:22:43,600
get back to the car that's exactly what

3598
02:22:48,469 --> 02:22:46,000
augie roberts and i went through it was

3599
02:22:50,790 --> 02:22:48,479
bitter cold we were going through a real

3600
02:22:52,870 --> 02:22:50,800
cold snap there i think the temperatures

3601
02:22:55,110 --> 02:22:52,880
were in the teens or even less and it

3602
02:22:57,990 --> 02:22:55,120
was really but i think at that time when

3603
02:23:00,389 --> 02:22:58,000
we went we had even a cooperation of the

3604
02:23:03,110 --> 02:23:00,399
uh the local police they brought a a

3605
02:23:04,630 --> 02:23:03,120
patrol car with a radar on it i don't

3606
02:23:06,790 --> 02:23:04,640
know how they would look for flying

3607
02:23:09,190 --> 02:23:06,800
saucers with a radar but it was an

3608
02:23:12,150 --> 02:23:09,200
interesting story and i was not totally

3609
02:23:14,230 --> 02:23:12,160
unaware that you and uh and uh jim had

3610
02:23:15,590 --> 02:23:14,240
been there that's that's a new one well

3611
02:23:17,910 --> 02:23:15,600
i don't think was a very significant

3612
02:23:19,830 --> 02:23:17,920
event it was just like you know kind of

3613
02:23:22,309 --> 02:23:19,840
a joke jim says hey let's go out there

3614
02:23:24,870 --> 02:23:22,319
and let's investigate ufos isn't that

3615
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:24,880
funny isn't that fun ha ha this is when

3616
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he was taking it even less seriously

3617
02:23:31,110 --> 02:23:28,720
than he might have taken the studies of

3618
02:23:33,990 --> 02:23:31,120
ufos later on i don't think he fancied

3619
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himself as a ufo researcher he maybe he

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did early on early on when he was

3621
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involved in the first iteration of

3622
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saucer news before really getting into

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the fake feuds with gray barker he had

3624
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taken a trip around the country to

3625
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interview personalities involved in ufo

3626
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research he spent a lot of his own time

3627
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his own money doing that and you could

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say well he was just a

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rich kid who had nothing better to do so

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why not chase after flying saucers that

3631
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was true but he definitely had

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a serious interest in the subject he

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took very detailed notes of that and

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some of which you probably see in the

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02:28:57,830 --> 02:28:56,720
we observe the life and times of jim

3748
02:29:01,429 --> 02:28:57,840
mosely

3749
02:29:03,750 --> 02:29:01,439
the court jester of ufology in fact i

3750
02:29:06,230 --> 02:29:03,760
think for many years he quoted john keel

3751
02:29:08,710 --> 02:29:06,240
as saying you are a boil on the uh you

3752
02:29:10,790 --> 02:29:08,720
know what of ufology

3753
02:29:13,110 --> 02:29:10,800
i think jim was a lot more fun than john

3754
02:29:15,990 --> 02:29:13,120
keel though oh john keel used to write

3755
02:29:19,110 --> 02:29:16,000
me these wacky wacky letters though

3756
02:29:21,190 --> 02:29:19,120
really funny wacky letters in those days

3757
02:29:22,469 --> 02:29:21,200
nothing you take seriously just for his

3758
02:29:24,469 --> 02:29:22,479
amusement i guess

3759
02:29:27,429 --> 02:29:24,479
it was a lot of fun unfortunately i

3760
02:29:28,469 --> 02:29:27,439
don't have him you know i i have to be

3761
02:29:29,670 --> 02:29:28,479
careful

3762
02:29:32,150 --> 02:29:29,680
this is a

3763
02:29:34,469 --> 02:29:32,160
a gray area that maybe is better left on

3764
02:29:36,710 --> 02:29:34,479
set but it has it has been said it's on

3765
02:29:38,389 --> 02:29:36,720
the record before we all know it

3766
02:29:41,510 --> 02:29:38,399
jim enjoyed

3767
02:29:43,830 --> 02:29:41,520
a good drink sometimes more than one i

3768
02:29:45,910 --> 02:29:43,840
think he spent a lot of the day

3769
02:29:47,270 --> 02:29:45,920
with a glass in his hand and i don't

3770
02:29:49,429 --> 02:29:47,280
want to give the wrong impression he was

3771
02:29:51,429 --> 02:29:49,439
always coherent and very reasonable he

3772
02:29:53,830 --> 02:29:51,439
never got violent or anything but

3773
02:29:55,990 --> 02:29:53,840
you know just speculating about this i

3774
02:29:58,309 --> 02:29:56,000
wonder to what extent

3775
02:30:00,630 --> 02:29:58,319
his fascination with ufology and some of

3776
02:30:01,510 --> 02:30:00,640
the zany things he did might not have

3777
02:30:03,670 --> 02:30:01,520
been

3778
02:30:07,590 --> 02:30:03,680
promoted to some extent

3779
02:30:11,910 --> 02:30:09,750
or it may be that he was just bored a

3780
02:30:15,030 --> 02:30:11,920
lot of the time and that was i think i

3781
02:30:16,950 --> 02:30:15,040
think the two go hand in hand really

3782
02:30:19,510 --> 02:30:16,960
i think that's just it i mean how do you

3783
02:30:21,750 --> 02:30:19,520
feel a day today you can get on a chat

3784
02:30:23,990 --> 02:30:21,760
room you can be on the internet you can

3785
02:30:25,990 --> 02:30:24,000
you know do all kinds of stuff but in

3786
02:30:27,910 --> 02:30:26,000
those days you really had to be

3787
02:30:30,230 --> 02:30:27,920
you had to improvise

3788
02:30:31,910 --> 02:30:30,240
and i think he did a great job he had a

3789
02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:31,920
lot of money on his hands at the one

3790
02:30:35,030 --> 02:30:34,160
time a lot of money and he had a lot of

3791
02:30:37,750 --> 02:30:35,040
time

3792
02:30:39,910 --> 02:30:37,760
and it was a wonderful german expression

3793
02:30:41,270 --> 02:30:39,920
for it at site for tribune it was just

3794
02:30:44,150 --> 02:30:41,280
killing time

3795
02:30:46,550 --> 02:30:44,160
the other thing that probably

3796
02:30:48,389 --> 02:30:46,560
got him going in all of this is that he

3797
02:30:51,030 --> 02:30:48,399
wanted to be in the

3798
02:30:53,349 --> 02:30:51,040
where the action was and the action in

3799
02:30:55,590 --> 02:30:53,359
the early days of ufology was right

3800
02:30:58,469 --> 02:30:55,600
there i mean you know you you it was

3801
02:31:00,870 --> 02:30:58,479
exciting uh all kinds of speculation it

3802
02:31:02,389 --> 02:31:00,880
was not scientific or pseudoscientific

3803
02:31:04,870 --> 02:31:02,399
the way it is today

3804
02:31:06,630 --> 02:31:04,880
it was open people were allowed to speak

3805
02:31:09,030 --> 02:31:06,640
their minds and

3806
02:31:11,270 --> 02:31:09,040
have have exercised their imagination

3807
02:31:14,550 --> 02:31:11,280
and fantasies and it was very exciting

3808
02:31:16,710 --> 02:31:14,560
for an intelligent guy like like jim

3809
02:31:19,830 --> 02:31:16,720
it was very creative it exercised his

3810
02:31:21,590 --> 02:31:19,840
mind uh he could have some notoriety i

3811
02:31:24,630 --> 02:31:21,600
think there are all kinds of reasons why

3812
02:31:27,270 --> 02:31:24,640
he was in it and i would say that um

3813
02:31:29,670 --> 02:31:27,280
that pretty well would sum up at least a

3814
02:31:31,910 --> 02:31:29,680
superficial view in those early days

3815
02:31:34,309 --> 02:31:31,920
there was this great sense of wonder

3816
02:31:36,150 --> 02:31:34,319
about everything you know over time it

3817
02:31:39,670 --> 02:31:36,160
gave way to

3818
02:31:41,830 --> 02:31:39,680
frustration boredom and the realization

3819
02:31:44,070 --> 02:31:41,840
that this wasn't going to have a

3820
02:31:45,270 --> 02:31:44,080
resolution at least in the lifetimes of

3821
02:31:47,910 --> 02:31:45,280
any of us

3822
02:31:49,830 --> 02:31:47,920
and by that time that didn't deter jim

3823
02:31:51,830 --> 02:31:49,840
because it by that time that was his

3824
02:31:53,590 --> 02:31:51,840
world he didn't know any other world and

3825
02:31:56,150 --> 02:31:53,600
to some extent that's true of all of us

3826
02:31:58,070 --> 02:31:56,160
have stuck around all this time but it

3827
02:32:00,469 --> 02:31:58,080
was a lot more fun in those days and i

3828
02:32:03,110 --> 02:32:00,479
think you can say that without being

3829
02:32:05,750 --> 02:32:03,120
sentimental or nostalgic it really was

3830
02:32:07,910 --> 02:32:05,760
fun it was wide open and jim was in the

3831
02:32:10,070 --> 02:32:07,920
thick of it and that's one reason we're

3832
02:32:12,070 --> 02:32:10,080
still talking about it well i think a

3833
02:32:14,309 --> 02:32:12,080
lot of us would not be talking about if

3834
02:32:16,630 --> 02:32:14,319
it wasn't for people like jim to keep

3835
02:32:18,630 --> 02:32:16,640
the subject alive and as i said earlier

3836
02:32:20,870 --> 02:32:18,640
on the show when i asked jim about the

3837
02:32:22,950 --> 02:32:20,880
hoaxes and the fake feuds he said i

3838
02:32:24,389 --> 02:32:22,960
wanted to keep the saucers alive because

3839
02:32:26,150 --> 02:32:24,399
interest was waning

3840
02:32:28,870 --> 02:32:26,160
and it kept moving in cycles and when

3841
02:32:30,389 --> 02:32:28,880
the cycle kind of goes to the low end of

3842
02:32:32,870 --> 02:32:30,399
things well the only way to keep the

3843
02:32:34,630 --> 02:32:32,880
interest up is to get some activity

3844
02:32:36,870 --> 02:32:34,640
going if you had to generate the

3845
02:32:39,830 --> 02:32:36,880
activity gin it up of course you

3846
02:32:43,590 --> 02:32:39,840
sometimes wonder if some of the cable tv

3847
02:32:45,750 --> 02:32:43,600
networks the news networks don't do that

3848
02:32:47,429 --> 02:32:45,760
i don't know about the news networks but

3849
02:32:50,309 --> 02:32:47,439
the these crappy

3850
02:32:53,030 --> 02:32:50,319
cable tv pseudo documentaries are

3851
02:32:54,550 --> 02:32:53,040
filling that function now dubiously

3852
02:32:56,550 --> 02:32:54,560
oh i think some people could say that

3853
02:32:59,030 --> 02:32:56,560
some of the controversies that come up

3854
02:33:00,790 --> 02:32:59,040
at certain cable news networks also are

3855
02:33:02,870 --> 02:33:00,800
designed to gin things up just get

3856
02:33:05,510 --> 02:33:02,880
ratings i was thinking specific about

3857
02:33:07,429 --> 02:33:05,520
ufos though sure but yes certainly

3858
02:33:09,830 --> 02:33:07,439
that's true as a general proposition

3859
02:33:12,710 --> 02:33:09,840
absolutely and jim mosley was the guy

3860
02:33:14,230 --> 02:33:12,720
who kept it running and after

3861
02:33:16,309 --> 02:33:14,240
jim is passed from the scene which he

3862
02:33:18,950 --> 02:33:16,319
now has you have to wonder where does

3863
02:33:20,710 --> 02:33:18,960
the field go and how much we owe our

3864
02:33:23,110 --> 02:33:20,720
continuing interest in it to someone

3865
02:33:25,670 --> 02:33:23,120
like him well i suppose someone should

3866
02:33:28,389 --> 02:33:25,680
keep the sacred fire burning

3867
02:33:30,389 --> 02:33:28,399
and um in in due respect and homage to

3868
02:33:31,510 --> 02:33:30,399
those early pioneers and i would

3869
02:33:34,630 --> 02:33:31,520
certainly

3870
02:33:37,990 --> 02:33:34,640
would not hesitate to call jim

3871
02:33:39,750 --> 02:33:38,000
a flying saucer a ufological pioneer he

3872
02:33:43,190 --> 02:33:39,760
was certainly in the thick and thin of

3873
02:33:45,830 --> 02:33:43,200
it when it was a a great um developing

3874
02:33:48,469 --> 02:33:45,840
breaking story he was there he's he's

3875
02:33:50,950 --> 02:33:48,479
endured the decades and i think he

3876
02:33:52,309 --> 02:33:50,960
deserves his place in the ufological

3877
02:33:54,630 --> 02:33:52,319
hall of fame

3878
02:33:56,950 --> 02:33:54,640
like so many others including other

3879
02:33:59,030 --> 02:33:56,960
members deceased members now

3880
02:34:02,150 --> 02:33:59,040
of that so-called new york circle the

3881
02:34:02,950 --> 02:34:02,160
dominic luches and the jack robinsons

3882
02:34:04,710 --> 02:34:02,960
and

3883
02:34:07,110 --> 02:34:04,720
the auggie roberts

3884
02:34:09,590 --> 02:34:07,120
and i i think we should keep them alive

3885
02:34:11,349 --> 02:34:09,600
because it's like the old story

3886
02:34:13,270 --> 02:34:11,359
you know why do we study history or why

3887
02:34:14,389 --> 02:34:13,280
do we keep history well it it must be

3888
02:34:16,870 --> 02:34:14,399
recorded

3889
02:34:18,070 --> 02:34:16,880
and um these personalities made their

3890
02:34:20,070 --> 02:34:18,080
contribution

3891
02:34:21,510 --> 02:34:20,080
and somewhere along the line the subject

3892
02:34:23,429 --> 02:34:21,520
will become

3893
02:34:25,590 --> 02:34:23,439
interesting again it will be taken up

3894
02:34:27,110 --> 02:34:25,600
again by others maybe with a different

3895
02:34:29,990 --> 02:34:27,120
take a different view a different

3896
02:34:31,910 --> 02:34:30,000
philosophy and they need to go back and

3897
02:34:33,110 --> 02:34:31,920
find out how what people were saying

3898
02:34:36,790 --> 02:34:33,120
about this

3899
02:34:37,750 --> 02:34:36,800
in the 1950s and 60s and 70s and i think

3900
02:34:39,990 --> 02:34:37,760
um

3901
02:34:42,389 --> 02:34:40,000
that in by itself and the homage to

3902
02:34:43,510 --> 02:34:42,399
these personalities yeah i'm moving

3903
02:34:45,830 --> 02:34:43,520
along as we have about three and a half

3904
02:34:48,630 --> 02:34:45,840
minutes left you know jerry as the

3905
02:34:50,950 --> 02:34:48,640
historian looking at the subject the way

3906
02:34:52,870 --> 02:34:50,960
it is now and the way it was then do you

3907
02:34:54,790 --> 02:34:52,880
think part of the problem today in the

3908
02:34:57,030 --> 02:34:54,800
ufo field is that we haven't looked to

3909
02:34:58,630 --> 02:34:57,040
the past it's like we keep starting the

3910
02:35:01,750 --> 02:34:58,640
same thing over and over again with the

3911
02:35:03,190 --> 02:35:01,760
same theories the same ideas that's a an

3912
02:35:05,110 --> 02:35:03,200
excellent point and it's very

3913
02:35:08,309 --> 02:35:05,120
frustrating because young guys come up

3914
02:35:10,230 --> 02:35:08,319
with hot new ideas and we old guys say

3915
02:35:12,070 --> 02:35:10,240
look we already been through that one it

3916
02:35:14,389 --> 02:35:12,080
didn't go anywhere and then you get the

3917
02:35:16,230 --> 02:35:14,399
announcement for being a geezer as

3918
02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:16,240
someone called me on an

3919
02:35:19,750 --> 02:35:18,640
unfriendly blog recently

3920
02:35:22,550 --> 02:35:19,760
and um

3921
02:35:24,790 --> 02:35:22,560
you know it it it's very frustrating and

3922
02:35:27,349 --> 02:35:24,800
and that that happens because there's

3923
02:35:29,670 --> 02:35:27,359
just a lack of discernible progress and

3924
02:35:30,790 --> 02:35:29,680
of course there's very little historical

3925
02:35:33,270 --> 02:35:30,800
memory

3926
02:35:35,110 --> 02:35:33,280
and um it's very it gets very

3927
02:35:36,630 --> 02:35:35,120
frustrating it's just like this endless

3928
02:35:39,030 --> 02:35:36,640
recycling

3929
02:35:41,030 --> 02:35:39,040
and uh and there's progress but it's

3930
02:35:42,550 --> 02:35:41,040
really incremental

3931
02:35:44,870 --> 02:35:42,560
you know you just raised something here

3932
02:35:46,550 --> 02:35:44,880
which is what is the historical memory

3933
02:35:47,349 --> 02:35:46,560
of the ufo field

3934
02:35:49,510 --> 02:35:47,359
and

3935
02:35:51,830 --> 02:35:49,520
jim mosley was very much that because he

3936
02:35:53,670 --> 02:35:51,840
lived through all right

3937
02:35:56,070 --> 02:35:53,680
right exactly

3938
02:35:57,990 --> 02:35:56,080
and not having jim around well hopefully

3939
02:36:00,070 --> 02:35:58,000
we'll find a way to get some of his

3940
02:36:02,630 --> 02:36:00,080
publications online

3941
02:36:04,630 --> 02:36:02,640
as some of you know there are a couple

3942
02:36:07,110 --> 02:36:04,640
of sites already have arisen

3943
02:36:10,309 --> 02:36:07,120
to recognize james mosley as a matter of

3944
02:36:12,670 --> 02:36:10,319
fact i found jimmosley.com nobody ever

3945
02:36:15,429 --> 02:36:12,680
took that name that domain so i got

3946
02:36:16,870 --> 02:36:15,439
jimmosley.com now i'm hoping to get

3947
02:36:19,030 --> 02:36:16,880
material from different people get a

3948
02:36:21,190 --> 02:36:19,040
little help with the web design so we

3949
02:36:24,389 --> 02:36:21,200
can put together a collection of shall

3950
02:36:26,790 --> 02:36:24,399
we say the selected works of jim mosley

3951
02:36:28,630 --> 02:36:26,800
now one of the things jim had said

3952
02:36:31,190 --> 02:36:28,640
not long before he died is that there

3953
02:36:33,429 --> 02:36:31,200
are still some 1500

3954
02:36:36,070 --> 02:36:33,439
unsold copies of the book he wrote with

3955
02:36:38,070 --> 02:36:36,080
carl flock called shockingly close to

3956
02:36:39,750 --> 02:36:38,080
the truth confessions of a grave robbing

3957
02:36:42,230 --> 02:36:39,760
ufologist don't ask me how i remember

3958
02:36:44,389 --> 02:36:42,240
that title i mentioned briefly in it and

3959
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:44,399
my ego will mention that but the thing

3960
02:36:49,510 --> 02:36:47,040
is here we have that book which is an

3961
02:36:51,750 --> 02:36:49,520
interesting record of the ufo field they

3962
02:36:54,630 --> 02:36:51,760
only sold a few thousand i guess if you

3963
02:36:56,469 --> 02:36:54,640
go to amazon and get a copy you'll still

3964
02:36:57,910 --> 02:36:56,479
be able to get one of course

3965
02:36:59,910 --> 02:36:57,920
the royalties aren't going to go

3966
02:37:02,790 --> 02:36:59,920
anywhere at this point maybe to jim's

3967
02:37:04,950 --> 02:37:02,800
daughter but the point is here this is

3968
02:37:06,710 --> 02:37:04,960
an interesting work to know about the

3969
02:37:09,910 --> 02:37:06,720
subculture not just about your favorite

3970
02:37:11,670 --> 02:37:09,920
ufo sightings not the 10 000th version

3971
02:37:15,349 --> 02:37:11,680
of what roswell is

3972
02:37:18,309 --> 02:37:15,359
about kenneth arnold about the ufos over

3973
02:37:20,710 --> 02:37:18,319
washington 1952 about all around the

3974
02:37:23,270 --> 02:37:20,720
nation the contacts the abductions all

3975
02:37:25,990 --> 02:37:23,280
about that but about the people who came

3976
02:37:28,870 --> 02:37:26,000
and went in the ufo field and a lot of

3977
02:37:31,910 --> 02:37:28,880
that is contained in shockingly close to

3978
02:37:33,590 --> 02:37:31,920
the truth so that's jim mosley's

3979
02:37:35,030 --> 02:37:33,600
lingering work that you can still buy

3980
02:37:37,429 --> 02:37:35,040
and maybe there's the hope will get some

3981
02:37:39,750 --> 02:37:37,439
of his final material over at

3982
02:37:41,910 --> 02:37:39,760
jimmosley.com or some other site sounds

3983
02:37:42,710 --> 02:37:41,920
like you have a project gene

3984
02:37:44,710 --> 02:37:42,720
i'm

3985
02:37:45,990 --> 02:37:44,720
maybe giving myself a job no i don't

3986
02:37:48,070 --> 02:37:46,000
really know if i want to do that i'd

3987
02:37:49,270 --> 02:37:48,080
rather have volunteers help me with this

3988
02:37:52,150 --> 02:37:49,280
task it's not something i want to do

3989
02:37:54,469 --> 02:37:52,160
with myself jerry clark you had that

3990
02:37:56,630 --> 02:37:54,479
book reprinted in a new edition called

3991
02:37:59,270 --> 02:37:56,640
unexplained the third edition it's

3992
02:38:01,429 --> 02:37:59,280
considerably expanded from the second

3993
02:38:03,830 --> 02:38:01,439
edition so it's like practically a new

3994
02:38:06,309 --> 02:38:03,840
book you're keeping on bob zanati of

3995
02:38:07,990 --> 02:38:06,319
course is maintaining a huge historical

3996
02:38:09,910 --> 02:38:08,000
record of the 60s we'll get some more of

3997
02:38:12,469 --> 02:38:09,920
his audio in the near future chris

3998
02:38:14,710 --> 02:38:12,479
o'brien has ourstrangeplanet.com

3999
02:38:17,670 --> 02:38:14,720
and i have this you can find more of us

4000
02:38:19,830 --> 02:38:17,680
on the power cast dot com on twitter

4001
02:38:22,150 --> 02:38:19,840
we're known as the paracast special

4002
02:38:23,990 --> 02:38:22,160
thank you to geneva hagen and alan

4003
02:38:26,950 --> 02:38:24,000
greenfield and tim beckley who were with

4004
02:38:28,389 --> 02:38:26,960
us earlier to bob zanati jerry clark

4005
02:38:31,030 --> 02:38:28,399
thanks for joining us this week on the

4006
02:38:34,150 --> 02:38:31,040
powercast thanks for making this program

4007
02:38:36,230 --> 02:38:34,160
possible gene it's a precious document

4008
02:38:38,790 --> 02:38:36,240
yeah thanks gene this has been fun it's

4009
02:38:41,670 --> 02:38:38,800
just fun to talk about jim yeah this is

4010
02:38:44,070 --> 02:38:41,680
jim mosley editor of saucer smear and

4011
02:38:47,110 --> 02:38:44,080
i'm here to say a good word or two about

4012
02:38:49,910 --> 02:38:47,120
the paracast which i believe is the gold

4013
02:38:56,070 --> 02:38:49,920
standard of paranormal radio listen to

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the paracast featuring jean steinberg

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and christopher o'brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible

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incorporated